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Leroy

03-02-2007 18:19:56




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I know that this is nothing to do with tractors but I need some help. We got a new puppy last year after our dog of 11 years came dowm with cancer and could no longer go, she is a small mixed lab 9 months old, very freindly and sweet with us but getting really mean acting around anyone who is not us, friends, relation and strangers if any of you has any idea how I can get her to adjust to others I welcome all replys, all other dogs we have had have been frindly to everyone no mean bones in any of their bodys so this ones is really throwing me off gaurd. what can I do!

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Randy as in Randy-IA

03-04-2007 19:04:01




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
Hi Leroy , You've given me great advice in the past . I've rescued dogs and trained dogs of all types and currently own and take care of 15 dogs ranging from as big as a 145 lb Rottweiler to a two pound poodle . I've taken rott's with bad attitudes from the pound and turned them into loving trustworthy dogs . Those on here telling you to kill your dog are lazy and heartless people . I'm NOT telling you it will be easy . But the good news is that Labs are generally easy to change with some training . That dogs attitude isn't set in stone at 9 months of age . It's probably just fear biting anyway , but not being there I can't say for sure . Either way it's fixable . Find a good trainer that trains the owners of the dogs . That way you know what to do when it happens . Another thing to do is socialize the dog with people . That will be covered in a good training class . Basically you just get people that are comfortable with dogs to approach the dog and pet it and play with it . Don't put a muzzle on it , that will just scare it more and defeat the training . A gentil leader may help some but I've never used one . I have a way to stop biting in puppies but it's hard to explain how to do it . It's not hard to do and it doesn't hurt the dog . In my opinion there's very few dogs that need to be butchered because of biting if they've been raised to be good dogs otherwise . Good luck ! ...Randy

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Leroy

03-06-2007 16:48:58




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 03-04-2007 19:04:01  
Randy, could we talk off site. email open



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daulclan

03-04-2007 18:40:41




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
Find it a junk yard home. My son-in-law had a crazy doberman, he didn't want to apply lead so he donated him to a local junk yard man. The dobey did his job well as a Lee Roy Brown junkyard dawg. They (the JY man and the dog) became best friends as they would sat and drink coffee together in the mornings.



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T_Bone

03-04-2007 10:25:54




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
Hi Leroy,

I've raised Labs for over 40yrs and must say that is unusual of a Lab. Even if you get this dog not to bite, will you ever be able to 100% trust it around strangers with-out your personal control?

Hard fact. Probably not. Then you know what needs to be done.

You are talking about attack type biting and not just nip biting from bad manners ?

For nip biting I would send the dog to a outside trainer as the dog probably will respond better/cured than with your training since the dog only bites strangers. Only problem is now you have a paper trail label on the dog as a biter and that may bite you in the A$$ in court latter on.

T_Bone

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Midwest redneck

03-03-2007 14:27:52




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
There are too many sue happy lawyers waiting to pounce on your situation. I would give the dog away and get another one, too much risk if it bites someone.



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RickB

03-03-2007 11:21:50




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
Lead therapy. One dose applied in the ear of your choice.



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Phil Crome

03-03-2007 10:50:50




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
My one memory of Ag Law in college is of the professor saying to us that he could absolutely guarantee being sued as a result of ownership of one of two things: a swimming facility or a mean dog.

A nine-month-old dog showing meanness towards others is a bomb waiting to go off. My solution would involve a small amount of lead in the ear and a new puppy. I know that this is harsh and I apologize but the potential downside is enormous.

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Phil Crome

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El Toro

03-03-2007 10:03:31




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
I have a black Chow Chow and she's about the same. She gets along with anyone that were around her when she was a pup. Even though my sister and nephew don't see her that often she still remembers them and is glad to see them.

I keep her fenced in and on a choker chain when walking her. We have had 3 Keeshunds and they were very friendly with anyone. The one we have now is 2 and she and that Chow are good buddies.
Hal

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case DI

03-03-2007 08:10:27




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
go to Amazon.com and pick up the book "the art of raising your puppy". It is written by the Monks of New Skete, and is incredible. I read it, used it and have a great dog.



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GreginKentcky

03-03-2007 09:54:27




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 Re: dog problems in reply to case DI, 03-03-2007 08:10:27  
I second the Monks of New Skete. They also have a book titled "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend". Both are excellent.

I also agree that a 9 month old pup showing signs of viciousness needs to go.



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markcycling

03-02-2007 21:11:19




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
I suggest you watch "Dog Whisperer" on the National Geographic Channel-Your Dog is unstable and is the pack leader over you. Cesar will show you how to change that.



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edss

03-03-2007 17:12:06




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 Re: dog problems in reply to markcycling, 03-02-2007 21:11:19  
Me and my wife watch that show I was thinking about the suggestion as I was scrolling down the posts and saw yours. Some of what that guy does is amazeing We have two dogs now just lost one to old age the dog was either 19 or 20 It was a great dog a beagle mix .My wife got her when she was in college .It had the best temperment she passed in her sleep so we were releived we didn't have to put her down.We take care of our pets and don't allow them to roam and bug other people. Yes dogs are pack animals and to a dog the family is it's pack and the animal can not be allowed to think it's the Alpha male or female.Wild dogs of all breeds will still come together and form packs The pack instint in them is still there

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KIP in MX

03-03-2007 20:51:05




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 Re: dog problems in reply to edss, 03-03-2007 17:12:06  
You said it all! It amazes me that most folks don't understand the canine pack mentality, but then again, most folks haven't seen what 2 or three loose`running dogs can do to a sheep herd on some early morning . Dogs kill for fun, coyotes kill for food. As far as having a mean dog, that is grief waiting to happen and you see it in the news all of the time. Best bet is to have a friendly, well trained dog and keep it contained, otherwise it will become someone's lead deposit, a lawsuit, or both.

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Don-Wi

03-03-2007 11:41:32




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 Re: dog problems in reply to markcycling, 03-02-2007 21:11:19  
I don't mean to pick an arguement or anything, but that guy is full of it. He always makes references to dogs being wolves and packs and while they did all come from that kind of ancestor, they are not all wolves. Not many people that I know in the dog world respect him. Not saying I kniow everything but I have trained a few dogs while in 4-H and I did help out in the program after I graduated. Now I can't because I work 2nd shift and they meet in the evenings, but there are better ways to train dogs.

Love and treats are at the top of the list, along with a stearn voice and a quick pop with the choker when needed. rehgular coller when not in training too, too many dogs get hung or otherwise killed/injured by something stupid because the owner leaves the choker on at all times...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Leroy

03-03-2007 05:06:48




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 Re: dog problems in reply to markcycling, 03-02-2007 21:11:19  
That channel is NOT avaible in our area.



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37WC

03-02-2007 19:58:20




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
Over the years I have trained many dogs. I would suggest going to your local library and get a hand book on how to train your dog. It doesn"t have to be the biggest one. Obedience training is fun for both you and your dog and the dog will be happier when it is well trained because it will understand commands and you can communicate with it. I have trained them to understand verbal and hand signal to come, heel, sit, stay, and others and even to go to the bathroom on command in the garden(saves on cleanup). Dogs that "work" for the blind and home bound have been trained to understand up to 160 different commands which include turning the lights on and off. Best of luck and check this web site. Link

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patiolant

03-02-2007 19:34:19




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2007 18:19:56  
You may have a tough time getting her out of it. We have exactly the same problem with a young (2 years old) German Shephard. I spoke to a dog trainer I knew about it and he said it is likely one of two things: she is either overzealous in guard dog duties, or she is insecure and frightened around anyone who is not her "pack". For the former, it can be trained out of them by obedience training; then she will listen to you when you tell her to stop instead of guarding. For the latter problem, it is difficult to solve. Unfortunately for us, our dog seems to one of the latter group and obedience training did not really solve the problem. We"re still working on it, and hopefully can up with something that works. Our other older dog sounds like your old one was; she is the friendliest and most loyal thing on the planet. I would love to find another one like her.

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Dick2

03-03-2007 06:17:16




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 Re: dog problems in reply to patiolant, 03-02-2007 19:34:19  
I'm old school; we cured those kind of problems with one shot. With 100 beef cattle, 100-200 hogs, 50 sheep, plus poultry on the farm, we had no time to deal with an errant animal. There is no shortage of dogs. Repeat: there is no shortage of dogs.



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Mark

03-03-2007 09:10:28




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Dick2, 03-03-2007 06:17:16  
I'm with Dick on this issue.

Folks have gotten used to the idea of 'humanizing' their dogs and quite frankly, it just doesn't always overcome their gene structure.

A good dog is a good dog, and one that isn't....isn't.

A neighbor had a little dung eater she would turn loose everyday and it would come over and began to snap at my kids who were 3 and 5 at the time. I told her I was afraid Dungie was going to bite one of them. "Oh not little Dungie!" Well, about week later she calls with the request that I envoke the final solution on Dungie because he had bitten HER! It was okay if it bit my kids but when it came to her...it was a different story. I was too glad to comply with her request and one 2 cent shell later, the problem was over. She promptly replaced the dung eater with one that has since scattered the remains of the kids toys all over the yard, it thinks my place is the public latrine and soon it too, will soon receive the final solution unbeknownst to her. By and by, she'll gom onto a beastie that is compatible. Until then, I will continue to rid of us of troublesome dogs.

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tim[in]

03-08-2007 15:33:40




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Mark , 03-03-2007 09:10:28  
while your right wing drivel doesnt deserve a reply either , i will let you know that the shooting of the dog is illegal in most circumstances and will earn you a one way ride to jail. maybe you should check the story of the an who puts down greyhound dogs where were unfit to race.He seems to have your mentality.



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B-maniac

03-07-2007 18:32:21




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Mark , 03-03-2007 09:10:28  
You just made the point that most people just can't seem to grasp!! That neighbor woman could go through 50 dogs and you can shoot every one of them , OR , we could just prohibit unfit pet owners from even owning dogs in the first place. Her kids are probably all in prison also. Bad pet owners are usually bad parents as well. If you are scared of your dog , it will bite. If you are scared of your kids , they will too. Dogs know when you are scared of them , even when you won't admit it. A bullet is a cowards way of admitting that the dog is smarter than he is. Do we shoot out of control kids because of bad parenting?? They cost more in human deaths and suffering than any dogs ever have. Train the pet owners and the pets will follow. You can't own a gun without training but you can have a pet and children without the least bit of training or quallifications. They can both be just as deadly as the gun without trained owners. Shoot all the pets you want and put all the "bad" kids in jail that you want. Until we start holding the owners and parents accountable for THEIR responsabilities that they have voluntarily taken on , it will only get worse. Education works , penalization doesn't! We prove this each and every day in this country.

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mark

03-07-2007 19:51:19




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 Re: dog problems in reply to B-maniac, 03-07-2007 18:32:21  
Where did you learn that load of left wing bull$hit? In some sociology class at UC Berkley? That drivel isn"t even worth the time it takes to peck out a reply.



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Siegmund

03-06-2007 03:45:12




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 Re: dog problems in reply to Mark , 03-03-2007 09:10:28  
man,I had to put in two cents here. I don't think I could ever shoot a dog(or anything else,for that matter) unless ,maybe, it was threatening me. Seems like too drastic and callous a solution. But maybe that's part of the reason dogs respect humans. they never really know if we're going to feed 'em or shoot 'em.



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