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Jerry D in NC

03-02-2007 03:28:10




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Hello all,

Got a question. I have just recently been given a couple of Dearborn 21-2 running gears and want to build one good one from the parts I have. Question is the body that I am going to put on it. I want 18 ft total floor so how much can I hang over the back and how much over the front. If I have a 14 ft spread between the axles, can I hang 3 ft out back and 1ft over the front?? What are the rules for this???

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tim[in]

03-04-2007 15:25:34




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
as far as the load wagon becoming light on the front, we just sit 4 bales on the corner of the front. good place to put water jug for a while. helps stack stay together and not get jostled appart.people always wonder if i know how to stack or if somethings wrong with the bales when i do this but another free fix that is passed down thru word of mouth and is a huge help.pluss knowing about using the cut side of bales to angle the stack against itself so it will ride miles down the road.

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Jerry D in NC

03-04-2007 06:03:58




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice and information....



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fixerupper

03-03-2007 18:00:49




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
Do you plan to pull it behind the baler? If you do you might want to be a little flexible about the front overhang until you get it behind the baler to find out what works best. Too much front overhang might get you in trouble with the bale chute when turning depending on the tongue length. Any trailer loaded with hay is tough to back, not because it's two wheeled or four wheeled, but because when you look back to see where you are going all you see is a big wall of hay.

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TractormanNC

03-03-2007 16:44:22




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
Jerry,
We have two 20 ft wagons that have about 2ft overhang in front and about 4ft behind. We load from front to back with a bale loader. As for backing, if the tongue and steering linkage is tight, they back just fine. Takes some getting used to if you are used to two wheel trailers.



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paul

03-03-2007 08:04:35




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
That should work. Depends how much you stack of heavy bales in back to start the load, it could get kinda light up front as mentioned....

I'd prefer a balanced wagon, with 2 foot overhang front & back. Adjust the tongue to suit.

Also depends if you are looking to pull down the road only, or to stack from the baler & won't hardly see a highway.

But I'd think your plan would work just fine - maybe a better even if you are baling onto it & not doing many highway miles.

--->Paul

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Don-WI

03-02-2007 20:12:55




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
If we pull the wagon behind the baler, for us it works best to have the toungue sticking out 4-4 1/2 feet. The we try to have the gear as long as we can get it, but 4 ft is the absolute max overhang.

Gotta make sure the wagon is tied down in the front, it can get kinda light in front when starting a load. I like about 3 ft. overhang, maybe 2.

third party image Here"s a picture of one of our wagons, this one is the most overhang we have of our own wagons, and the gear is stretched as far as it"ll go. It"s an older Oliver running gear made by Electric Wheel Company. Still holds a load just fine, but you can tel the front starts getting a little light when starting the back end.

As far as backing, that"s a bunch of bull because after a little practice, a guy can back them just fine. 2 wheel trailers have their place, but in my opinion it isn"t for hay unless doing a whole ton of road travel. 4 tires hold a heckuvalot more hay than a 2 wheel trailer, or even a tandem axel trailer IMHO...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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johns48jdb

03-02-2007 18:16:22




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
if your going to build something to haul hay on i'd build a regular trailer. a wagon is way to hard to back and if a rain is coming you don't need to spend time trying to back a wagon into unload. if its to be used for anything else the three off the back want add enough leverage to pick up the front of the wagon unless you sit and elephant on it. the length of the tongue needs to be such that if you (or anybody) turns it real sharp the rear wheels want catch the bed and pick it up off of the running gear.

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georgeky

03-02-2007 04:30:34




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
3 on back and 1 on front will worg good.



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IaGary

03-02-2007 03:53:35




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 Re: Wagon building questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-02-2007 03:28:10  
No rules, its up to what you want.

But remember by off centering the bed you also off center the load.

If this is a hay wagon when you start loading at the back it will lift the front.

We tie the front of the wagons down to the running gear to help hold the front for starting a load. But if you have to much hanging over the back it can lift the wagon gear also.

If the tongue is to short to center you may have to lenghten the tongue.

My 2 cents, Gary

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