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ric1

02-19-2007 14:53:16




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hi everyone i have a woodsplitter i was thinking of converting to tractor hyd. instead of its own engine my tractor is a mf-165 diesel my next question is should i hook into the remotes at the rear of the tractor or would i get better hyd. pressure/power by plumbing it into the front pump that runs the freeman loader wny thoughts would be app. thanks rick




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Oldmax

03-01-2007 17:42:40




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 14:53:16  
This link is a picture of my Tractor powered log spliter is hooked to tractor hyd system a little slow but other wise works fine .



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Oldmax

03-01-2007 17:54:39




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to Oldmax, 03-01-2007 17:42:40  
Will try again



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johns48jdb

02-20-2007 05:03:35




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 14:53:16  
the one thing i liked about my 3 point spltter was to be able to carry it into the woods with me easy and just start on one end of the tree and work my way up or down without having to drag the log out of the woods or to try an load big pieces by hand and haul them to the splitter. the best thing i ever did was to build me a 20 foot trailer just to haul logs on and go to the woods with a tractor with a front end loader on it and load the trailer and haul logs home. i could get in the woods when it was dry and wait until i needed the logs for wood before i spilt them at home. i'd pick up the logs with the front end loader and let one boy start on one end with a saw an another on the other end. saved the old back and saws from being run in the dirt. you have to be real careful with logs on a front end loader. the will just roll down the arms on the loader and smash into you if you raise the loader to high. a little bit of something attached to the front end loader to keep the logs from rolling down the arms is the way to go or a cab on the tractor.

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MF Poor

02-20-2007 03:40:28




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 14:53:16  
The 165 internal pump will run a splitter, just not at a fast pace. Front pump probably will run it faster. I use a splitter powered by internal pump on a MF150. (same flow rate) It works ok and at a pace I can keep up with all day. Down side, your 165 is from 33 to 43 years old. Hours on a cheap little gas engine won't be piling up on your tractors engine or pump. Had it to do over, I'd stick with a small engine on the splitter.

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RodInNS

02-19-2007 20:40:47




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 14:53:16  
Well, I'm a guessin' that the 165 has a front pump for the loader cause the tractor doesn't push too much oil.... As the saying goes.... go with the flow.
That's what you want for a wood splitter, or if you're like me, you'll be gritting your teeth waiting for it. You could no doubt plumb into the loader circuit in some way. The expensive way would be to add another valve to the existing power beyond port if it has one, or even buy a new valve bank with 3 valves. That's not a bad idea if you need hydraulics on the loader arm for attachments.... Otherwise, if you want to do it on the cheap, all you'd need is 2 "T's" and 1 hydraulic ball valve, and "T" into the bucket hoses for a supply and return. Install the ball valve closer to the bucket, and make sure that the "T" is between the ball valve and the control valve. Use those "T's" to supply oil to your splitter. Just tie the valve handle for the bucket in the "on" position to supply oil. Anyhow, that's a cheap and nasty way to do it.
As the others have said, you could try plumbing into the tractor's remotes. It'll work fine. It's just slow. I'd be very surprised if a tractor of that vintage moved 8 gpm, and for a 4" splitter ram, I'd want closer to 20 if at all possible.... HTH.

Rod

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JMS/MN

02-19-2007 18:17:27




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 14:53:16  
It might be more economical to run a small hp engine to run the splitter than a tractor engine. 5 hp vs-40-50-70hp?, even at slow speed,low hp.



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IaGary

02-19-2007 19:05:11




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to JMS/MN, 02-19-2007 18:17:27  
If your pump or motor is bad the cost and up keep of a new one will pay for a lot of gas.

Dad burned 4 or 5 pickup loads a year and I bet it did not take 15 gal of gas to split it.

I would hate to buy and keep up a gas engine and pump for 35 dollars a year.

Just my thoughts.



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johns48jdb

02-19-2007 15:34:12




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 14:53:16  
your going to get some questions about where its a closed or open center hydraulic control valve on your tractor i bet. it makes a difference on where your return hose goes to. on a 574 ih i had to plumb the oil return line into the filler neck for the hydraulic fluid so that there was no back pressure against that line. the 574 has a detent on the control lever that makes the fluid run through the outlet all the time. on mine i had to tie the lever back because if you put much pressure on a piece of wood it would trip the lever off. you'll get some beter answers here.

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ric1

02-19-2007 15:41:13




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to johns48jdb, 02-19-2007 15:34:12  
yes i knew i had to do something about what you just described. i just didnt know which hyd. hook up i would get the best results. i dont know if the 165 hyd. system would run a woodsplitter the way it should be operated . thanks you for your input i app. it



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paul

02-19-2007 21:39:41




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 15:41:13  
The pressure from either end of the tractor might be close to the same.

The rear ports will be easy to use, probably make for a slow wood splitter.

The front pump will cost you some money to tap into, probably will make the splitter run a lot faster.

Puts a lot of wear & tear on a tractor to sit there to run a little wedge. Repairing the gas engine/ pump might not be the worst thing....

--->Paul

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IaGary

02-19-2007 18:16:18




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to ric1, 02-19-2007 15:41:13  
Hooking it to the ports on the back would be easy to try and if you don't like it change it.

Chances are your output on the 165 is more than the motor unit that came with the splitter.

We have one with a 4 inch cylinder that is hooked to the tractor ports and its fast enough for me and plenty of splitting force also.

Do you know the output in gals per minute and pressure on the motor driven pump?

Gary

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steveormary

02-19-2007 21:51:51




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 Re: tractor driven wood splitter in reply to IaGary, 02-19-2007 18:16:18  
Buy a pto pump and stuff from the Surplus Center and go that route.

We mounted a 3pt splitter to an 850 Ford and run it with the Ford hydraulics. Worked slow but had alot of splitting power.

steveormary



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