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How to rake with dual rakes

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Willy P

02-16-2007 20:27:09

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I am thinking about making a dual rake hitch and pull two of the NH 256 rakes and we usually rake 3 windrows around the outside of the field and then go back and forth making windrows like rows,but with 2 left hand rakes,how would this work when the hay is thick and putting 4 rake fulls to one windrow would be too much? We cut back and forth and like to rake the same way so the rake will rake cleaner. Does anybody else rake like this with 2 rakes and how do you do it? Thanks

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Willy P

02-17-2007 19:09:55

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Willy P, 02-16-2007 20:27:09

I appreciate all the good info,I understand what you mean about raking with one and a half rakes and making two rounds to awindrow verses 2 rakes to a windrow with a single rake or 4 rakes with a double rake. I do like the bar rakes and you couldn't give me a wheel rake,the way they put dirt in the windrow and ball up the hay. Thanks

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Chrisco

02-17-2007 13:29:54

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Willy P, 02-16-2007 20:27:09

the first two are kyhayman.

I am making one like the last two but making the to go to the right or left their is also one called a j frame but I can't fine a photo of it.

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johns48jdb

02-17-2007 14:12:46

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Chrisco, 02-17-2007 13:29:54

man i like that first set up real well. i would add a hitch to the sq tubing running between the two rails of the rake where you could pull one rake right in behind the other to make it easy to go down the road or through narrow gates. have you pulled this set up? i was wondering how tight you could turn and not get the rakes locked up with each other. some of the guys that use to work for me would sure try to see if they could pile them up together.

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kyhayman

02-18-2007 05:49:41

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to johns48jdb, 02-17-2007 14:12:46

That second plate is on there, took some doing to get it in the right spot on the outter pc of tubing. So far I have not found it possible to lock the rakes or even make them touch when raking. No tractor I have will turn that short. Not saying it cant be done.

I've built 25-30 of these for people around here, so far never a complaint. I've pulled mine over a 20 mile area on the road, though normally I haul them both if Im moving equipment. The one in the pic is on a 56, my dad has it now and still holding up well. I've added one to my older 256. Just cant bear to drill holes in a new rake, lol.

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Gwiz

02-17-2007 14:48:26

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to johns48jdb, 02-17-2007 14:12:46

I'm going to try to build mine similar to kyhayman's. Instead of sliding in for transport, I would like for mine to swing around. If I make the pivot point at the left side of the front rake and have the hitch half the width of the rake beyond that to the left, the outer end of the hitch should be just right. Then when I swing it around 180 degrees, it should be directly centered behind the first rake. I'm just not quite sure if I will be able to maintain any 'adjustment' or whether I really need to. After the first pass through a field, there is no reason I couldn't take a partial swath if the hay is too thick. If I know it is too thick, I can leave the second rake behind the first for the first round or so to get the field opened up. James

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johns48jdb

02-17-2007 17:43:14

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Gwiz, 02-17-2007 14:48:26

the tongue going back to the second rake has to be held in place some way. on the one like i had made there was a piece of angle running from the right side of the lead rake to the tongue which was mounted on the left, facing the tractor. this would allow me to add holes as needed in the tongue to narrrow the second rake in so i could adjust it to the thickness of hay. i have seen the time in real tall sudax hay where i would use both rakes in line to get all the stalks to rake up. they were so long, due to rainy spells, that the tires would hold the stalks down and not get them over into the windrow. the second in line rake eliminated that problem.

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johns48jdb

02-17-2007 05:43:47

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Willy P, 02-16-2007 20:27:09

this may take a while. if you don't understand what i'm talking about em me and i'll give you my phone number. you'll have to make a dolly to support the weight of the rear rake. i used 3 hubs off of rambler cars. the just bolted onto the axles and were easy to get off. i made my dolly with one tire out front and two straight across from each other. each axle end was welded to a piece of 4 x 4 sq tubing. the two pieces that were welded to the axle ends were welded on the side of the 4 x 4. each piece was about a foot long. with those two pieces welded in i took a third piece about two foot long and welded each end of it to the side of the two one foot long pieces on the end away from the axles. i took a forth piece and welded that to the cross piece going between the two tires. when i got through it looked like a goal post on a football field. the fourth piece, like the piece that is stuck in the ground on the goal post, was long enough to allow the tire to spin without hitting the piece going between the piece welded to the axles ends. this leg was set off center slightly so that the middle of the front tire was in the middle of the other two tires. the front axle was then welded to this forth piece on the side. a short piece of flat steel for a tongue was welded to the piece going between the two wheels and in the center of the two tires. this pointed in the opposite direction from the front wheel support piece of course. the piece that is the support for the front tire stuck out in front of the front tire about6 or 8 inches. a short flat piece of steel was welded to that to make a piveting point for the tongue. the tongue ran from a cross member on the front rake. you'll have to play with this length to make the rear rake line up with the front rake with a slight over lap. then weld a flat piece to the rake and another flat piece to each end of the tongue. a hole bored in each flat plate will allow you to put a bolt through each end to connect it all together. i drilled a hole in each end of the bolt where the threads are to allow for a hitch pin to be put on after the nut was put on to keep the nuts from backing off during use. a 6 foot piece of 2 inch angle iron ran from the cross brace on the rake to the tongue forming a little triangle that acted to hold the tongue in place. by boring holes at different places in the tongue where the angle iron fastnes to it by means of a long bolt going through the 4 x 4 tongue you can vary the width that the back rake will rake so you can build the size of windrow you want. i always rake all the way around the field in circles from outside down to the center of the field. then i would rake the corners where i turned at into a windrow at each corner that runs from the middle of the field to the outside edges. bailing these windrows first got them out of the way for bailing the rest of the field. if your hay is short you can guess at how wide of a piece to leave between the first half on the windrow and the second half your trying to build. then rake your second half of the windrow and the skipped part together to form the second half of the windrow. in other words your raking 6 passes of a mower together. i prefer to build a big windrow because it takes less time for the baler to cover the ground that way. especially if the ground is rough. i'll shut up now.

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kyhayman

02-16-2007 21:03:00

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Willy P, 02-16-2007 20:27:09

I rake with 2-256's. When I made my hitch I put settings at 14', full width, and rakes in line. As to raking in any particular direction to cut, I dont worry about it. Normally, I rake with around the field, 2 windrows. In those, I back rake twice to move the windrows away from the field of unraked hay. Then rake back and forth. I'll rake down, then back with the back rake turning the whole windrow. Works out that Im making 2 passes to get what would have taken 3.

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Gwiz

02-17-2007 07:20:41

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to kyhayman, 02-16-2007 21:03:00

I was just in the garage getting ready to build my double hitch. Hey, Hayman does your second rake have dolly wheels? Have you seen the right side of your first rake lifting from the weight of the second? Neither of mine have dollies, but I sure wasn't planning to build any either.
James

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kyhayman

02-17-2007 11:26:45

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Gwiz, 02-17-2007 07:20:41

I'm a nothing but dolly wheel kind of guy. Sorry, but I havent used a rake without one since I was a teenager. Somewhere, in the photo archieves on here I've got some pics of the hitch and a home made dolly set I've made. Id hunt it up but I've got a 2" artesian spring running right on top of a 2" water line. Ehish....

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jswintx

02-16-2007 21:01:01

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Willy P, 02-16-2007 20:27:09

Hi Willy, I do this with two left hand throw 256 rakes. I don't know if you have made the rakes yet but, you will need to have a dolly wheel on the back rake. The weight of the back rake on the tongue will raise the front rake on the right side. If you will line up the stars on the rakes, you wont miss any hay. The bar to hitch the two together will need to be retractable. If you will make the hitch that can adjust, you can use it to rake with either half a rake width or a full rakes width. It will take a little getting use to on the turns. I also figured out that you will need to do the outsides of the pastures last instead of first. The reason is that making the right turn will be so wide that you miss alot of hay. Start on the right side of the field and work to the left, then make the trips around. You will rake alot of hay into the rows, but baling it will depend on the baler and speed. I can take pictures and send them to you if you need. It worked well for me. Hope this helps.

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jswintx

02-16-2007 21:09:41

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to jswintx, 02-16-2007 21:01:01

Oh Willy, I forgot to tell you, when you line the stars on the baskets up, the rakes will rake 4 rows wide. That is down and back up the row. If you line the hitch of the back rake up with the left side of the front rake, you will rake 3 rows wide, down and back. This really matters when you get in really thick hay.

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Randall Kollmeyer

02-20-2007 08:07:21

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to jswintx, 02-16-2007 21:09:41

jswintx..... ..what do you mean by "lining up the stars"?

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jswintx

02-20-2007 17:31:41

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Re: How to rake with dual rakes in reply to Randall Kollmeyer, 02-20-2007 08:07:21

The stars that I am referring to are at the ends of the basket. It is what the bars attach to and go round and round. If you line the "stars" up on the left side of the front rake and the right side the back rake, the front rake will place the hay directly in line of the back rake. You will get a full two rakes width with just one pass.

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