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R Lammer

02-03-2007 13:01:56




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A friend has an old horse drawn dump rake with the MM logos on the wheel hubs. He wants to restore it, but doesn't know how to attach the draw bar, or what it looks like. If anyone can help with photos, model numbers, or any other info to identify this rake, please do so.
Thank you.




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Oldmax

02-03-2007 16:03:45




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to R Lammer, 02-03-2007 13:01:56  
They made them both ways . The one horse was 7' & the two horse was about 11' One horse had two Stays & one horse had a tongue . My Grandfather had both I now have the one horse that he had . & my uncle has the two horse .



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R Lammer

02-03-2007 18:56:38




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to Oldmax, 02-03-2007 16:03:45  
Any chance you could e-mail some pictures of the draw bar and how it is attached to the rakes?
thanks.



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johns48jdb

02-03-2007 14:08:20




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to R Lammer, 02-03-2007 13:01:56  
there should be just a "u" shaped piece on the very front of the rake that a wooden beam some where in the neighbor hood of 4 inches would fit into. its fastened with some bolts that go all the way through the u shaped piece. some i've seen have only a flat piece on the front of the where the tongue would lay down flat on it and then a flat piece of metal with holes in it went on top of the wood with bolts through it to securly hold the tongue in place. if you have any amish farms around you they will make a tongue for you. it should taper down from front to the back and be 14 foot long. at least that what the guys made me one for. the cultivators were just 12 foot that best i can remember. mine was jd, but i think they should all be close to being the same.

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R Lammer

02-03-2007 15:17:47




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to johns48jdb, 02-03-2007 14:08:20  
Thanks for the quick reply. I will give it to my friend in hopes that it will help.



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Hugh MacKay

02-03-2007 15:05:55




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to johns48jdb, 02-03-2007 14:08:20  
John: I expect the dump rake had shaves for a single horse. I've never seen one pulled by a team.



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johns48jdb

02-03-2007 16:04:44




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-03-2007 15:05:55  
hi, i'm in north al and have never seen a rake down here or in south tenn that wasn't pulled by a team and not just one horse. wierd enough isn't it? i have a jd rake now down at my moms that has the u shaped bracket on it. it doesn't have a tongue in it, but is set up to for one. its about 14 foot wide so that may make the difference. there is another one 3 miles from me that has the tongue in it and its made for two horses. i use to have a owners manual for them i think. if i get up the energy i'll look for it and see whats in it. very interesting!

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Hugh MacKay

02-03-2007 16:34:03




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to johns48jdb, 02-03-2007 16:04:44  
John: The rakes I'm used to wuld only be about 10' wide, therein may lie the difference between one horse and a team. I don't ever remember a dump rake being used on our farm at home. My dad bought a rubber tired side delivery in 1942, the year I was born. Interesting part, it was a tractor hitch only rake. Most side delivery rakes in our area were the long wood tongue for a team of horses.

I might have guessed the team hitch for wider dump rakes. I've seen dump rakes out of NE and the Dakotas 20' to 30' wide. I have a photo here somewhere of F series Farmall pulling 20'+ dump rake.

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R Lammer

02-03-2007 19:03:23




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-03-2007 16:34:03  
Do you suppose the MM on the wheel hubs do indeed mean Minneapolis Moline? That is the only thing I can think of, but when I try to search a dump rake with that brand name, I come up dry.
Sure wish I could get a picture or get real lucky and find a parts book or owner's manual.
Thanks.



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Hugh MacKay

02-04-2007 02:48:37




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to R Lammer, 02-03-2007 19:03:23  
R Lammer: Somewhere in my posessions I have a book with a section on dump rakes. Later today I'll have a look see if there might be something else MM could stand for.



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2x4

02-04-2007 00:13:46




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to R Lammer, 02-03-2007 19:03:23  
in the mountains we called them a buck rake.



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Leroy

02-04-2007 18:09:07




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to 2x4, 02-04-2007 00:13:46  
The buck rake was for hauling the hay in to the barn from the winrows made with the dump rake or later the side rake



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johns48jdb

02-07-2007 05:46:03




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to Leroy, 02-04-2007 18:09:07  
leroy, i'm confussed. what was the implement called that a team of horses or a tractor used to push hay from windrows into a pile. that pile was pitch forked onto a wagon to haul hay to the barn. so would the buck rake your talking about be the name of that piece that piled the hay up? probably got the info here some place, but i've got a case of the being lazy today.



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Leroy

02-07-2007 19:10:31




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to johns48jdb, 02-07-2007 05:46:03  
The first buckrakes were horse powered with the horses in back of the rake pushing it, then there were the models that were made to fit on the front of tractors but most around here were made on the back end of old cars ( Model A Ford was a faveorite) but the one Dad had was built on a 1929 Buick car, the body cut off at center door posts and rake mounted on back. Would go to field and run down winrow till rake was fully loaded then raised the rake and halled in to the barn where a hay fork was used to hoist the hay into the mow. We also used it to haul corn shocks from field to shreader at barn and also ysed it to move machinery from farm to farm. When the rake was not in use the rake was taken off and a small bed put on to use the Buick as a pickup truck nowdays. That Buick would where the Model A's would have trouble keeping the front end on the ground with a load and grunt in low gear to haul the load out of the field the Buick would walk that load out in high gear and you could not get that front end to bounce on the ground. After The buick gave up the rake was put on a Dodge 1 1/2 ton truck, the Buick handled it beter than the truck. The hay was never pushed into a pile to reload.

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johns48jdb

02-03-2007 18:15:48




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 Re: Dump rake. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-03-2007 16:34:03  
funny thing is that i used one of those dump rakes behind an old h farmall when i was growing up. i was just barely man enough to dump the #$%^^& thing. we cut the hay with an ih mule drawn mower and we pulled it behind the old h too. if we got it to go fast enough to cut good, the ground speed was so fast you could hardly sat in the seat. ah, the good old days! i've also pulled the down row in behind a team off mules when pulling corn. i'm only 62 but i remember it real well. the river bottom ground was to wet to put a tractor and wagon in (even then we pulled it by hand) so my grandfather got a man and his team to pull the 75 acres by hand with behind the mules. the down row, for all you young whip-a-snappers out there is the row that the mules knocked as they went though the field. just because they left a present on the ear didn't mean you could leave it or at least not let my grandfather catch you leaving it behind.

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