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h.p ratings for hay making equipment

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dlong

02-03-2007 05:45:13




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I am looking into buying a tractor and hay making equipment. I would like to make 4x4 round bales and haven't been able to find a spec. source for the hp requirements for used equipment. So for mowing, raking, and baling on about 30 acres what do you think I need? I was also wondering if a three point bale speer is a practical way to move hay around, or if I sould get a loader with my tractor right away? Any help would be great!
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RodInNS

02-05-2007 13:57:18




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
I'd suggest that you check the manufacturers specs for power requirements of a particular baler. They're not all created equal. There are no doubt balers out there that can be run with ~40 HP, but their gearing is such that they turn slower, and sacrifice a certain amount of capacity to allow that small tractor to run the baler. That's all well and good..... but, keep in mind that there are balers out there like my Claas that require a bare minimum of 55 hp for a 4x4 baler, and really need 70 hp to perform to capacity. The difference is that it has twice the capacity or more than some of those old closed throat balers. You need power for capacity. Big capacity likely isn't a concern to you; just don't get yourself caught with a baler you can't run.
Likewise, if you want a discbine, put 70+ hp in front of it. That's a safe figure for anything up to 10'. HTH.

Rod

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Carp

02-05-2007 08:53:03




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
The Hay Dr. is giving pretty good advice if you plan to stay with 30 acres of hay. I would suggest something a little closer to 50 hp. My personal choise would be a 4600 Ford size tractor. This will bale in any situation safely and quickly. You may have to drop a gear or 2 in really steep ground, but like someone else said 80 to 100 hp just burns more fuel for the same job.



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kyhayman

02-03-2007 17:41:42




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
For a lot of years we used a 5600 Ford as our big tractor at 62hp and change. 4x4 and 4x5 round bales. Didnt have a front loader, just used a spear. Others in the fleet ran in the 40-55 hp range. Did 5000-6000 rolls a year custom work plus our own. In the early 90's we added a 7600 Ford at 86hp to roll with. What a difference. No more downshifting on quarter mile long 30% slope hills when the bale chamber was almost full. Added a front loader in 1989, and now have 3 loader tractors. Just makes moving hay so much faster to load it on a flat wagon.

Through trial and error we ended up with 5 -86 hp Fords and the old 5600. Loaders on the two cab tractors plus a skid steer (a round bale moving BEAST). Equipment wise, its been trial and error too, until we ended up with two identical sets that are ideal for what we do. 5408 NI disc mowers, NI tedders, NH 256 dolly wheel rakes (two) with tandem hitches (run a total of 4), and NH 650 round balers. For the last few years, as we built the second set its not been a matter of having too, or trial and error, its been choice to duplicate.

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midlam

02-03-2007 09:07:38




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
its claimed the old pinch roller feed balers took less horsepower. the rollers helped set the desity instead just the belt pressure setting density.
I once ran a 38hp tractor on a 5x6 pinch roller baler that made 1200 pound bales. As the baler got full ,I had to drop down gears because I didnt have enough power to pull the baler up slight hills.



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old

02-03-2007 08:36:08




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
Well depending on what you use for mowing hay siclke or MOCO depends in the size of tractor there. Rakeing hay can be done with almost any tractor. Now baleing hay thats where the power is needed. I pull my NH 850 behind my Oliver Super 88 and it does well but thats as small as I would ever go. Or in other words you need at least 50 hp and a little more would be better. The Oliver S88 as per neb test is 55HP

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El Toro

02-03-2007 07:44:50




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
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If these farmers can bale without a tractor you should be able to do it with a 40hp tractor. Hal



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Hay DR

02-03-2007 08:07:12




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to El Toro, 02-03-2007 07:44:50  
When the PTO HP is tested it is when the tractor is sitting still. Those engines are less than 40 HP but 100% of their power is focused in pulling the load on the baler. The tractor has to pull it's own weight and the weight of the baler. If you want to get technical the Vermeer Rebel 5400 needs: 740 nm at 540 RPMs to make a 4x5 bale in dry hay.



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Hay DR

02-03-2007 07:21:08




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
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You are in a much bigger category of customers than you might think. Many customers cut hay with 25-35 HP tractors and have their hay custom round baled. When you talk about making hay, you have two questions to answer that are the biggest determining factors in tractor HP choice.

1. Do you want to produce round bales? If so what size? If you are interested in round bales 4x4 or 4x5 then 40 PTO HP is the minimum. Any of the Vermeer 4x5 F,G,H,I or Rebel balers can be run by 40 PTO HP tractors. A Hesston 530, just smaller than a 4x4, takes 30 PTO HP and a Hesston 540,4x4, takes 45 HP. The John deer 330,335, & 448 (All 4x4) all take 45 PTO HP. The New Holland 630,634,638 & BR730 (ALL 4x4 balers) all take 40 PTO HP minimum. The Vermeer has the advantage in these smaller balers because you can make larger bales with less HP. You can also make a 4x4 or smaller if desired with the Vermeer. Not one of the other manufacturers can make a 4x5 bale with 40 PTO HP. In fact we do not recommend this but we have customers using 5400 rebel balers on tractors like a 3000 Ford 38 PTO HP. In my opinion I would choose a tractors in the 45-55 PTO HP range if I was going to round bale hay.

2.Do you want to run a disc mower conditioner? 70-80 PTO HP minimum.

If you say square bales then 35 PTO HP is a good choice. You can square bale with less HP but most of those tractors do not have the mass to safely operate all the hay equipment in all situations. 35 PTO HP will also let you safely operate a 7" shaft drive disc mower like a Lely, HayMAXX, AGCO- New Idea or a smaller drum mower.

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Luke S

02-03-2007 06:49:09




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
I pull a Case/IH 8420 round baler which makes a 3 1/2'X 4 1/2' bale, with my 42 pto hp Kubota M4700. Baler only calls for 30 hp. I pull a New Holland 479 9' haybine no problem what so ever. My ground is mostly flat, but there are a few hills. If you get the right equipment, you can make hay with as little as 40 hp. I have both a 3-point spear on the back and a quick tach bale spear on the loader also. Also, I square bale with a 24T John Deere baler and can pull a loaded hay wagon behind the baler as well.

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Luke S

02-03-2007 06:50:43




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to Luke S, 02-03-2007 06:49:09  
Also, I used to use a 110hp tractor and a 5'x5' baler, all I was doing was using more fuel than I needed to. I get by just as good with a smaller tractor and baler, and a lot less fuel.



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sd pete

02-03-2007 06:03:27




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
I see nothing wrong with a few extra ponies. The smallest tractor I would use would be a 560. Or any tractor of that hp in any color you want. Loaders are always handy to have around. Lot of cows up here that need feeding and I have never seen a single point spear. I think we all use a 3 point carrier or a loader to move them. The mower tractor could be smaller a 300 farmall is good at that kind of work. Have a good one. This is all mho. :))

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jhill52

02-03-2007 05:59:12




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 Re: h.p ratings for hay making equipment in reply to dlong, 02-03-2007 05:45:13  
You can run a 4x4 bailer on a s0 hp tractor but an 80 hp works better. You have some reserve power for hills and generally more hydraulics. 80 hp should run a mower or MOCO or whatever you choose as well. A 3pt spear will work but a loader will let you load onto a trailer and stack in the barn.



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