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hay sure has changed since i was a kid...

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BCnT

01-23-2007 21:51:05




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we never had ''horse hay''...horses ate same as the cattle or they didnt eat...we didnt have any fancy brands of grass or moisture meters or protien numbers...we baled whatever was available including salt marsh grass...never EVER remember hearing of anybody having problems with their animals...glad my cows aint smart enuff to use tha puter or i'd be shellin out big bucks for name brand hay ;)




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Hard Knocks

01-25-2007 03:50:28




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
We had 2 work horses and a quarter horse to chase cows with when I was young and we only fed them hay with a a few oats when they were worked
and can't ever remember any of them having a health issue.Those horses would stay fat on a diet a cow would just about starve on. Grain and alfalfa are the two best was to ruin a horse.



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tim[in]

01-25-2007 01:11:45




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
i had dealt with horse people too when i sold hay and did custom work baling. now if i opened my door and saw someone wearing cowboy boots i'd close the door in their face!i take it to an auction if i want to sell any hay or straw now. i got sick of them whining about pay a fair price for quality hay but turn around and didnt blink an eye about blowing a bundle on fancy show gimcracks.



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souNdguy

01-25-2007 06:08:51




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to tim[in], 01-25-2007 01:11:45  
The boots ( or hat) don't define the person...

Soundguy



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BCnT

01-24-2007 12:32:00




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
i think i'll keep balin plain ole hay and ignore tha horse kooks...i buy my equiptment for pennies on tha dollar at the auction ring and fix it up in my spare time...keeps me busy and i sleep good at nite and my cows like what i feed em just fine...i sell excess to neighbors that have Heinz 57 cattle too.
thanx for the replies



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LE Smith (W/ Central MI)

01-24-2007 09:28:03




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
We have been cutting and baling for 27 years, with 27 years selling to the horse people. Yes things have changed, but if you know your market and your customers you can work out any issues that may occur. Bottom line, if you are selling to the horse market now days, be prepared to have an excellent product, move with the market trends and listen to your customers - remember, they are the ones who end up paying for your twine, fuel, machinery, etc., . . . unless you run a charity operation and donate all the above.

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Dave H (MI)

01-26-2007 07:45:24




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to LE Smith (W/ Central MI), 01-24-2007 09:28:03  
You forgot synergy. Synergy is real important too. :-)



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kyhayman

01-24-2007 07:47:28




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
I grew up making hay, literally. Sitting on my dads lap on a 4000 Ford pulling a #5 JD sickle mower (picture of me there in 1969). To touch test for an outside stored round bale, I can get close enough. I do like a moisture meter to check myself since 'dry enough' for me is a moving target (we wrap wet hay for round bale silage, use propinic acid on slightly damp hay to reduce mold and spoilage, and then dry hay). The meters are way more important on the acid treated hay than anything else, at $20 a ton for the acid and rate varying depending on moisture content, I sure dont want to waste any money there. For the ferminted hay, as the moisture content changes, so does the quality of fermintation and intake.

Now 'horse hay'. When I had them, like yours, they ate with the cows. Outside stored round bales and if they died they died (never did). Also never had a farrier or a dentist see to them either. They did just fine.

When I board horses, they get inside stored rolled hay. Not worth the risk of making one sick, and it will happen. I lost two in 2001 with botulism (lab report, Uni of KY Diag Lab). Thankfully I had told the owner to move them, but he didnt, left them a week and they got into some molded wheat hay. Most of the horses I board are saddlebreds in the 10K to 50K insured range.

But more than that, there are two things I never ever want to do, and I have customers in both catagories. I dont ever want to face some 7 year old kid at church who was feeding my hay to her pony, it dies, and the necropsy says it was anything to do with the feed and me not be able to KNOW I did everything I could to make a good product. The other is I dont ever want to explain to my insurance agent why he has a bill for a $1-2M thoroughbred yearling that the necropsy shows was my hay.

The hay hasnt changed, but the business sure has.

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Shovelman

01-24-2007 07:39:28




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
We also have found the horse hay market to be profitable. Yes, you have to cater to them a bit, but their money spends well and many consider the price secondary to quality. You have to weed out the PIA's and the occaisional kook, but we find the good horse hay customers to be very loyal.

I agree with the DR - making good hay is simple science, not rocket science.

Give them what they want, charge a good price and you will make money on horse hay.

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Cliff Neubauer

01-24-2007 05:51:11




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
You're exactly right on the horse hay but if they are willing to pay a premium for a premium quality product I am more than willing to take their money for it. In all honesty I think we can probably raise alfalfa cheaper per ton than we can "cheaper" hay so raising it for the horse market has really been a good move for us.



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GeoM0

01-24-2007 05:18:16




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
I baled some water grass, if was a little tought but it was going to rain.
My sun set one of the bales in a ditch, it had turned black inside.
Cows ate it like candy.



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mike a. tenn.

01-24-2007 02:49:05




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
HAY DR....that sounds just like how we do our hay, and the cows like it fine! in fact, i was just talking to my partner today and he said he wishes we had about 300 more bales cuz he keeps getting calls from people wantin' to buy the stuff. we've already sold all we could and not starve the cows.

mike



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Hay DR

01-23-2007 22:11:23




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 Re: hay sure has changed since i was a kid... in reply to BCnT, 01-23-2007 21:51:05  
Same here BCnT, I believe it's all the city folks that read and article in some magazine and now they are experts when it's just a simple formula. Put your hay up with 18% moisture or less. Most hay fields if fertilized properly will crowd out most of the weeds. Keep your soil PH between 6.0 & 6.5. Don't use too much nitrogen. Pray for rain, then pray for 3 days of dry weather, get it down and then get it up. Then pray for rain again.

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