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01-17-2007 09:45:31

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class is currently building a 16 ft trailer for a customer. started it last thursday. has 4 inch channel for rails and 2 inch 11 ga tubing for crossmembers. they are set on 18 inch centers. will have a treated floor screwed twice into every crossmember. will also have a 2 inch rail around it about 12 inches from floor. brakes on 1 axle - they are 3500 lb axles. fenders/lights/ jack still to be installed. tounge and side are 1 piece.

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Oldmax

01-19-2007 05:19:34

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to wh, 01-17-2007 09:45:31

Looks like a good job to me I have built trailers from 4'X4' to 8'X24' the only thing I see wrong with that trailer is only two wheel brakes I would neaver have Tandom with two wheel brakes , other than that Looks like a fine job . I like the shop & eqpt . It sure beats building them outside like I do . Keep up the good work training the Class the right way to do things .

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01-19-2007 07:10:07

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to Oldmax, 01-19-2007 05:19:34

personnally i would have prefered double brakes. owners choice for 1 brake. around here it the "norm" on 5000 lb trailer to use 1 brake axle. all the 7000 capacity use double brakes. we diffently "over build". all of the spring hangers are braced from the side to a crossmember. where the tubing likes about 1/4 inch "sitting" on the bottom flange of the channel we insert a small piece in the gap and weld it. takes some of the stress off of the welds. nobody around here but us will fasten the floor to every crossmember - most just lay the floor in and weld flat bar front/back to hold it. where the side rails bend in to from the tounge we have a 1/2 inch plate welded on the bottom side for extra support. all of the work is done by 16-18 year old high school students. if it does no tlook right then they have to grind/cut it out and do it again. in over 20 years we have never had one to come back because of weld failure or design. we have made somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 like this or goosneck type.

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Oldmax

01-19-2007 18:41:06

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to wh, 01-19-2007 07:10:07

I thought that might be case . of the owner spec what he wants . I wasn't down on you , was just My personal preferance . looks like a good job to me . I bought a 16' utility trailer about 3 years ago was built by an outfit in TN . Floor was just laid in with a angle welded in to hold boards I was draging a I beam off trailer & guess what ? caught on angle tore angle off trailer . I had to strap 4X4 on back of trailer to get home now it has bolts in three places on boards .

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johns48jdb

01-18-2007 07:15:29

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to wh, 01-17-2007 09:45:31

i agree with a double beam running from the hitch back down each side as far as possible. trialers without it will "rock" on the front corners. i'd just redo the hitch and add the beams down each side.

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Oldmax

01-24-2007 05:05:50

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to johns48jdb, 01-18-2007 07:15:29

I have a problem with someone that pulles a utility trailer over 60 MPH , Empty or loaded they are an accident wating to happen . Some around here have 16' utility trailers with no brakes bought in KY they don't require Brakes or license on utility trailers . I have seen them pull loads that are equal to weight of TV at 70 & 80 MPH I just back off and give them plenty of room . If you say any thing to them they just tell you that they have a HD Ford , Dodge or Chev that will handle any thing ,Their words are I don't know the thing is behind me .

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01-18-2007 07:50:24

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to johns48jdb, 01-18-2007 07:15:29

been building like this for better than 20 years. never had a complaint about one "rocking". always fasten the wood floors to every crossmember which will tie the trailer together. never did like a "floating" floor. of course i have never personally pulled one of them loaded above 75-80 mph -- so i really can't say that they will not rock. every trailer we build here at school leaves with the promise that if it does not pull right to bring it back and we will fix it or refund the money. in over 20 years only one came back and it was because of tire defect. they had furnished the tires and even tho they were all labeled the same size 2 were actually 2 inches taller than the other 2. by luck had install the tall tires on one side and the short tires on other side. it was a goffy pulling trailer until we finally discovered the problem. simply put the same height tires on the same axle and fixed the problem.

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DMont

01-17-2007 16:22:39

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to wh, 01-17-2007 09:45:31

Great looking trailer? Do you plan to add a cross member in the front to end the floor. And an angle iron to cover the ends. Generally I like to box the front and then run the tounge channel to the front corners and then continue the channel to the front spring hanger. It gives a lot of extra strength. It doubles the frame from the front almost to the front axle. How about more pics as you complete.
Thanks--Don

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01-17-2007 17:58:25

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to DMont, 01-17-2007 16:22:39

it has a 1/2 inch thick plate under the corners where the channel bends in. we have been using this pattern for better than 25 years and have never had one come back on us. i have 3 built like this with the floor over the tires (8 ft wide). 2 7000 lb axles under them. used to haul sweet potatoes out of the field. estimate that each "green" load weighs around 12-13000 lbs (200 boxes at 60-65 lbs each. seen them mired down to where the axles were pushing dirt with one 90 horse tractor pulling and then take another and push with the front weights from behind. don't like to do this but sometimes you have to. always go straight when we do this. have never twisted or broke them. will post more pics as we get done.

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135 Fan

01-17-2007 17:18:59

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Re: 16 ft trailer in reply to DMont, 01-17-2007 16:22:39

That is a nice looking trailer. Nice looking shop too. I would agree that doubling the frame under the corners of the hitch channel pieces would add a lot of strength. Most 7000 lb trailers have this or the hitch channels mount underneath and extend back using an A frame coupler. I have a friend who owns a trailer shop and builds a lot of trailers. Mostly custom built out of rectangular tubing because it doesn't flex as channel can. Most 7000 lb trailers use 5 or 6 inch frame. The top rail will add a lot of strength as long as you put in enough supports. Maybe every second cross member? Most people will tend to see just how much their trailer will carry so it's better to slightly over build it. It looks like top notch workmanship to me. All new Miller welders and what looks like an older Lincoln Idealarc 250. Wish I had a nice shop like that. Keep up the good work. Dave

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01-17-2007 09:46:56

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View from front in reply to wh, 01-17-2007 09:45:31

another look at it from front.

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