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mud

01-15-2007 20:05:47




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We've got some old hay ground that became overgrown with gum trees. The trees have been bushhogged down. Now I'd like to replant the hay ground.

Does it make sence to go through it first with a subsoiler, then turn it over and disk it?

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kyhayman

01-17-2007 18:25:04




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
The decaying roots will accomplish more than the subsoiler ever will to improve subsoil water infiltration. Thats really all you accomplishs pulling a subsiler anyway, it to break up a tillage pan or to fracture a fragipan. If you have trees growing, you probably dont have either. I've never met a disc plow but it sounds like a similar impliment to a bog harrow. That would be my choice in this situation.

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IBorange in TX

01-17-2007 14:35:17




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
I agree with Dave on this one. I have a 2disc plow that I use w/Ford 850 and a 3disc plow that I use with IH 460D. Use the disc plow in all New ground. One reason is that the dise plow will cut the roots and also turn the soil with roots upside down whereas the moldboard will just stand it up. The moldboard is fine for cultivated ground. The subsoiler is okay to use to break up the hardpan of the soil, which is about 10inches deep. Again the disc plow is what you need on the new ground, the ground with the sprouts. Good Luck..... .....

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Dave Anderson

01-17-2007 08:14:59




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
I think the guy who advised using the disc-plow has it right. We use an Athens 3 bottom (Allis snap-coupler) on overgrown tree roots. It will cut almost any root less than 3 inches in diameter. And those that are bigger, it just rolls off of-NO jamming. Also, we pull this a with a D-14 Allis in flat ground with no power problems.



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Charles Story

01-16-2007 11:07:40




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
You need a two pan Disc Plow.



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Rick Kr

01-16-2007 10:21:03




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
John,

Question for you?

When you say late fall, I assume the ground is still fairly dry. If the ground is wet won't the soil smear instead of shatter or break up?

This is the first year I have ever subsoiled my ground and I think it was too wet. But Michigan ground seems to have been soaked since about mid September.

Rick



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johns48jdb

01-16-2007 14:30:53




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to Rick Kr, 01-16-2007 10:21:03  
hi rick, yes it would be better if the land was dry. in n al we always use the rule that if you pick up a hand full of dirt and squezze it together and it makes a ball the land is to wet to work. if it crumbles and falls apart go for it. it really doesn't sound like you need to subsoil if your having a wet fall. i agree with other post that a disk turning plow would work good for you. they were made in 1 to 6 disk that i know of. it depends on how deep you break and the horse power of your tractor as to the size you need. ac use to make a two pan that you could pick up with their hitch. if your tractor isn't an ac it want work with your tractor. i don't know that i have ever seen any other pick up disk turners in my part of the world. i grew up pulling on the rope to make the plow come up out of the ground to turn and pull again to drop. you had to time it just right or when you triped the plow to fall and you held on to the rope to long the plow would come back up out of the ground and you would have to circle around and start over.

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Tom671

01-16-2007 04:28:21




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
You might be looking for trouble. I have no idea how big the trees were, but if the roots are to big, you are going to find yourself replacing a lot of shear bolts or other parts. I have hit a few hidden rocks and tree stumps in the past and it was not a good thing. The rock and the tree stump won. That happens when you do custom work on unfamilair ground.
The bottom line, be careful around tree roots

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johns48jdb

01-16-2007 04:24:18




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
a susoiler is meant to break the hard pan up where it will absore and hold more water. a good time to subsoil is in the late fall and leave the trenches open so water can get down in there and then maybe freeze. this freezing breaks the crust up even more. it would depend on how much trash there is as to whether or not it would clog up. i've ran a subsoiler in behind the combined corn and didn't have a lot of trouble. sometimes you will, but not enough to worry about. if you do pile it up come back with the subsoiler and try to spread it out as much as possible. i hope you cut the brush off kinda high. short stobs will go through a tire easier than some thats left a little high. they will bend over and not go through tires that easy.

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jhill52

01-15-2007 20:18:46




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 Re: subsoiler use -question in reply to mud, 01-15-2007 20:05:47  
I think the subsoiler will plug with roots and trash.



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