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cjm in tx

01-13-2007 18:37:05




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two years ago, i bought 100 acres of land in south texas. there was a 25 acre cleared field that had not been farmed in years; the rest was south texas brush. a co-worker gave me a ford n8 that he had in his barn. it had not run in 8 years. i got the old thing running and bought a rhino mower. i kept the 25 acres clear with it, but some became bored with just mowing. so i found a ferguson two bottom plow for $125. spent $70 on parts and she worked great. that plow worked so good and the land looked so beautiful after plowing, i got the fever to do more! but what's next? what else do i need to do before i can plant. what other implements will i need? i am not interested in harvesting for now, just want to keep the birds and deer fat. and maybe learn a little about farming. i can see how farming could get into your blood. just something about the smell of the land after its been plowed. i want to keep going. any info would be helpful.
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BCnT

01-14-2007 17:34:41




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
i'd say a 55 gallon drum of SLIME for your tires if you ever venture off that clean 25 acres...mesquite thorns will turn your tires into screen wire :(
i'm up the road a piece in south central Tejas...that ole 8N should pull a 3 point 6' tandem disk with no problem...theres auctions all around at least once a month you can get useable implements for a decent price...i use a Herd seeder mounted on a '62 Ford 2000 to do my broadcast planting...it only holds about 60# of seed but does a great job...just got thru spreading a ton of rye grass seed for cattle with it...couple pieces of chain link fence fabric hooked on a chain behind disk do a good job of leveling and/or covering seed.
yall gettin any of this turd floater down there??? i've gotten almost 5'' in 24 hours :)

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paul

01-14-2007 10:34:08




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
Primary tillage to really work the land. (Your plow)

Secondary tillage to level & smooth the land, and to work out the small weeds that come up. This would be some of: a disk, a field cultivator, a harrow or drag. Do=Alls, disk-harrow, or so on are reginal names of some of these tools. You would likely like a small disk, and a harrow of some type. The disk cuts up lumps, the harrow drags dirt around to make a very fine seed bed. Around here, field cultivators have replaced disks....

A way to put the seed in the ground. A drill, a broadcast spinning seeder, or a 2 row corn planter, depending what seeds you want to grow! :) Some of these you need a harrow to finish covering the seed.

A way to control the weeds. A harrow works to kill tiny weed sprouts until some crops just break the soil crust. A row crop cultivatorcan control weeds if you use a corn planter to plant in rows. Hand weeding works for small plots. Wheat & other solid seeded crops you can try to get by without weeding - with mixed results. A sprayer will take care of the problem.

--->Paul

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rodej

01-14-2007 07:45:58




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
I am getting that itch also. I have 5 of 6 acres in hay now (less the garden patch). The guy down the road takes the hay for now. I will be planting a lot of pumpkins, to sell, in the patch this year. As well as the standard garden plants (potatoes, etc) in the other garden. The patch will grow every year as I get equipment. I just got a 2 bottom plow. There is a pic in the implement photos section. I am also looking for an 8" wheel disk myself. Anybody selling one?

John R.

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mike a. tenn

01-14-2007 05:56:37




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
one more thought c.j. if you're handy, have the tools and the place to work on things, and like to "tinker", as you ride around the countryside keep your eyes open for old equipment. don't be afraid to stop and ask..."wanna sell it"? i find as much joy in taking old rusty farm implements and "fixin''em up" as i do planting things and watching them grow. something about making some old forgotten disc or planter or whatever, and making it useful again is very self rewarding. plus you can save a lot of money...something i have to watch pretty close here, and you can meet some pretty nice folks and make a few friends. have fun.

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mike a.tenn.

01-14-2007 05:01:07




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
i'm surprised no one has mentioned getting your soil tested. it's one of the first things you want to do. alot of times if you go to your extension agency you can pick up a couple sample bags and follow the directions for gathering soil samples. turn them back in and for a small fee they'll test your soil and give you an idea of what kind of soil amendments (fertilizers, lime etc.) you need for what ever crop you might want to grow. this step can save you alot of money in fertilizer costs in the end, and fertilizers are getting expensive. the very next thing you need is a small disc harrow for breaking up your fields after plowing. you might want to let the plowed soil sit for a while so the exposed roots will die off first...then disc disc disc. try dragging a heavy piece of pipe or even a log behind your disc to smooth your planting surface. i was given a very old set of covington planters a couple years ago that i use for putting out corn. it was a rusty mess and took me most of the winter to clean them up and fabricate a three point rack for them...but it didn't cost me much...just time. they work prtty good. but for some crops you can just use a broadcast spreader until you get more equipment. (clovers, alfalfa, etc.) lightly disc over these seeds or use a roller to set them after spreading. i'[ve even used a piece of chain link fence for a drag to cover them and then set the seeds with my four wheeler before i got more equipment. you don't need alot to get started growing things, as you go alonfg you'll learn and most likely end up buying more "stuff" to farm with since you seem to be getting the same "farm bug" that i did when i bought my land here in tenn. have fun!

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Burnie

01-14-2007 02:46:26




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
I'd be looking at a set of off-set disks, a grain drill, maybe with harrows and roller and perhaps a light cultivator. You should be able to plant sorghum with a grain drill espcially as you're not harvrsting at this stage. If you block off some of the planting tubes so you get a row spacing of 30-40 inches you should be OK. Millet would be another option although there are two things to be careful with. Millet doesn't like heavy clay soils or deep planting. Another crop to consider is oats during winter but you would need to get some local knowledge on that. When it comes to spray gear buy the best you can afford even if it means new or nearly new and allways run good quality nozzles. Chemicals can be pretty expensive so it's important to get the most out of every spray. Have fun.

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TomTX

01-14-2007 08:30:34




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 Re: farming basics in reply to Burnie, 01-14-2007 02:46:26  
I assume you are taling about a "tandem" disk, versus an "offset" disk. His 8N would not move an "offset" disk. Tom



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Burnie

01-14-2007 22:42:50




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 Re: farming basics in reply to TomTX, 01-14-2007 08:30:34  
Thanks for the correction, Tom. In my part of the world for some reason we tend to lump all disks under the gereral term 'offsets' although we use both types.



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redlevel

01-13-2007 19:46:48




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 Re: farming basics in reply to cjm in tx, 01-13-2007 18:37:05  
cj, it does get in your blood, doesn't it. I expect South Texas is a lot like South Georgia, except y'all don't get as much rain as we do. You should check with your extension agent, but I expect one of the best crops you can plant for birds, deer, hogs, etc. is milo, or grain sorghunm as we call it here. It tends to be much more drought tolerant than corn. It will go dormant and wait for a rain, where corn will just dry up. Browntop millet is another favorite here for doves, quail, etc. The extension agent can tell you what perenniels you can plant. We have a lot of serecial lespedeza, which is fairly good for birds.

You have already discovered that you don't necessarily have to break the bank for equipment. You need a disc harrow, but you don't need a very big one for that 8N. You ought to be able to pick one up for $350 or so used, or a little more for one of the new ones at Tractor Supply or somewhere similar. A good (again, small) spring-tooth cultivator, or what most people here call a general purpose cultivator is also a good tool for pulling roots out where you have cut brush with the mower, or getting a seedbed ready to plant. You can plant with a cone-style fertilizer spreader, then harrow it in lightly. That works fairly well, but if you get fairly serious about food plots, you'll want some kind of planter, such as a covington or JD-71 units. Your 8N will handle one-row or two-row setups of either kind of planter if the lift works.

I imagine one of your big problems, as here in South Georgia, is just keeping the brush from encroaching and taking over. From what I read, mesquite and cedar are the problems out there. I'm having a heck of a time keeping the Japanese Privet and Kudzu from taking over. Along with the other implements I mentioned, a good sprayer, probably about a 55 gallon model, helps a lot in keeping that brush under control.

If you look around, you can find all the implements I mentioned in good used condition for a fraction of what they will cost new. You already know that, though.

I'll shut up and let somebody else chime in. Good luck.

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steveormary

01-13-2007 20:54:39




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 Re: farming basics in reply to redlevel, 01-13-2007 19:46:48  
cj. A small grain drill would be nice to have. An 8n should have no trouble with a two bottom plow or a 2 row planter. For a sprayer we stuck a plank in under the rear end and bolted it to the cross draw bar. We then strapped a barrrellto the plank. We bought a nozzel,some hoses and clamps and a pto pump. Worked pretty good.

Have fun
steveormary



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