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no-till two row planter?

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Daniel H.

01-13-2007 17:24:04




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Did anyone ever make a two-row no-till unit? I thinking about something that could plant 10-20 acres of soybeans or corn in small fields without too much up front cost an be pulled by MF-35 or slightly bigger tractor. Possibly a cut down from a bigger unit; I have looked at the ones made from John Deere 71 units, what would it take to make those no-till? Yes I know 10 acres isn't enough to fool with, but just curious. The corn would be picked on the cob and the beans cut with an All-Crop 60. I assume the corn would need to be on roughly 38" centers for a picker but the beans could be as close as 15" so it might be more like three planting units for the beans.

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Ken in Arkansas

01-16-2007 12:56:46




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-13-2007 17:24:04  
AC did make a 2-row no-till planter. We had one in the early 1970's - it was a 3pt mounted unit.



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MLD

01-15-2007 13:31:42




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-13-2007 17:24:04  
I say a 2 row AC no-till planter advertised somewhere but I can't remember where? Maybe it was homemade but the pictures looked factory.



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jhill52

01-13-2007 20:17:26




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-13-2007 17:24:04  
AC no. 71 units would work great. Wavey coulters take too much weight to pentrate the ground. I have an AC no 600 with no 71 units and use ripple coulters works good.

Jerry



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Gerald J.

01-13-2007 20:13:19




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-13-2007 17:24:04  
Unless you have perfectly dry ground the "no till" wavy coulters are a hindrance, not a benefit.

Dawn trash whippers do better at preparing the ground a little, with maybe a straight coulter out front to slice the straw and let the regular openers do the dirt moving.

I pulled a 6 row Cyclo 400 planter in tilled ground with my MF-135 but the tractor wasn't quite a master of the job.

The last two years I pulled my 4 row JD 7000 in notill condiditions with my MF-135 and it didn't even work hard. I'll be adding the slicing coulters taking them off my plow by the time I plant and I won't be plowing.

Gerald J.

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JMS/MN

01-13-2007 18:37:25




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-13-2007 17:24:04  
Not likely to find a two-row unit in no-till. I think AC made a no-til, Model 600, but not that small. Doesn't matter- can always drop the outside units to make a two row. AC had wavy coulters, about 3 inches wide, to work up a seedbed. Don't mess with the row width, unless you want to double back with a 38 to make 19 inch rows, etc. For those few acres, it isn't worth the bother to do 38 and 15, etc. JD 71s are nice units, but no-till requires extra weight on the frame, etc. to penetrate hard ground. 71s are not made for that. No-til requires heavy coulters, lots of extra weight on the frame, all contact members need to be extra strong to take the impact.

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Hugh MacKay

01-13-2007 18:36:26




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-13-2007 17:24:04  
Daniel: You could do that with Deere 71 units. you have to build a frame with lots of weight for holding down the notill coulters, forcing them to penetrate. Do you plan, two rows corn and 5 rows beans?



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Daniel H.

01-14-2007 14:08:18




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-13-2007 18:36:26  
Ok, I like the idea of doubling back with the 38" spacing to get 19" for the beans. I would only need two planting units that way and for a few acres it seams like a good option. As for the planter, were the JD 71 unit not originally on a no-till? There seems to be differing opinions on weather these would be an acceptable choice. I have no experience with no-till and very little with conventional planters. Is the basic difference that a no-till has a coulter in front to slit the soil and a heavier tool-bar to force the coulters into the ground? I'm assuming a disc opener on the planter would be a better choice over a runner-type and that you could also use a disc to put down the fertilizer. On a side note, does anyone know where you can buy a disc to put down fertilizer?

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John e.c.MI

01-15-2007 19:47:59




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 Re: no-till two row planter? in reply to Daniel H., 01-14-2007 14:08:18  
The 71 unit was not designed as a no-till unit. Keep in mind each unit barely weighs a hundred pounds. I have only seen a few planters with very heavy frames with no-till coulters and 71 units on them. For a comparison my JD 750 no-till drill typically runs 500-1000lbs. down pressure when planting in no-till conditions. Also the press wheel on a 71 is not designed to do a good job of covering the seed in no-till. Compare it to the closing wheels on JD 7000 and newer planters and see the difference.

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