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buckskins3232

01-12-2007 14:17:05

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Hi everyone, I have a 20 HP diesel tractor that I was wondering if it was strong enough to bale hay with? I was thinking perhaps of a really old baler that was made for tractors when they never had quite so much HP and were gas. It will brush hog 5ft weeds and grass no problem. I have about 10 acres that I would like to put in hay. Do you think I could do any good with a deere 24T or 14T ? Thanks in advance for your help.

Matt.

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Scott Griffith

01-18-2007 17:56:00

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

Hello,

I have a NH 68 with a Wisconsin THD 2 cylinder engine. The nice thing about this one is you just hook up to the tractor and go. No pto shaft to deal with. If your field is fairly flat you could pull it with a very small tractor. I use a Farmall A to lug mine around with all of the time. The Wisconsin engine is rated at 1 more HP than my Farmall.

Scott

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Steve Crum

01-14-2007 04:30:25

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

One of the few things I enjoyed about putting up hay was hearing our 61' 4010D running the 24T bailer with thrower. What everyone is saying about powerfeed back and shock loads on the PTO is very true. Hearing that 94 horse diesel mildly surge at 1800 rpm as the baler plunger cycled was pure music. I'm afraid hearing a 20 horse light duty diesel under the same stress would not be quite as nice.

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buckskins3232

01-16-2007 14:10:09

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to Steve Crum, 01-14-2007 04:30:25

I sure would like to thank everyone for your expertise and advice. I"m thinking an A.C. Roto-Baler may help me out. They are sort of scarce, but I will be looking for one. I have posted a want add on Ebay.

Thank you all very much indeed.
Cheers, Buckskins.

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Hugh MacKay

01-13-2007 18:11:46

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

buckskins: Interesting the advice your getting. Elmer may well have the best advice for that compact tractor. Round balers don't have shock loads as Paul mentioned. You must give concern to that shock load.

My dad bought one of the first NH bale throwers. that thrower had its own 8 hp Briggs engine plus a flywheel intended to reduce the shock load. That first summer we broke 3 piston rods in the briggs engine. Same will apply with your tractor, it just doesn't have the power train designed for the shocks like the old tractors.

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Elmers Grassman

01-13-2007 17:42:52

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

I was just at the PA Farm Show and ran into what you need. There is a company importing very small round balers from Italy designed for modern compacts. Makes a 75LB +/- bale or a 150lb wet bale. Its like a small Krone.

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paul

01-15-2007 00:41:45

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to Elmers Grassman, 01-13-2007 17:42:52

Just be sitting down when you see the price.....

The tractor was cheaper than that baler will be.

--->Paul

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old

01-13-2007 18:20:50

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to Elmers Grassman, 01-13-2007 17:42:52

Allis made one a long time ago, called the Roto baler. It was made to be pulled behind the Allis B. They where a real pain to use and you had to have the windrows just right or you had funny looking bales

Hobby farm

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dairyman

01-13-2007 10:02:45

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

well i know my late uncle used an allis chalmers B to pull his 24T baler with a wagon behind it. BUT the tractor didn't like pulling all of that weight and powering the baler. so i would think you can use a 20 hp machine but you will be disappointed with its preformance.
Dairyman

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paul

01-12-2007 19:02:35

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

This question comes up a lot.

NH 271 or older, & JD 14 & 24 balers all take about 15 hp to run the baler itself. HOWEVER....

Also it takes 5-7 hp to pull the tractor & baler through the field.

Takes another 5-7 hp to pull a wagon, or deal with hills.

Now, the HOWEVER part. A blaer _uses_ 50 hp to push the plunger back & form the bale. That big flywheel stores 50 hp. It can back-feed through the pto shaft to your tractor. Your tractor needs to be able to handle that kind of stress. Most new little diesels are _not_ so designed to handle the stress pulse of powering that big flywheel on an irregular power push.

As well, a baler full of hay is pretty heavy. You get out in the field with a light tractor, & you will have the tail wagging the dog. Tongue weight is often negative as the bales drop off. The plunger is pushing forward & back, bouncing the tractor. Turn a corner & the baler will want to push the tractor, just too light.

It is more than just raw hp needed.

It is very, very hard to bale with less than 25 hp. It is very hard to find a newer tractor of less than 35 hp built tough enough to handle a baler, both in the pto drive components and physically able to manuver the baler in the field - they are too light weight.

--->Paul

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jwal10

01-12-2007 18:56:12

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

Is this a newer small utility tractor? They aren't heavy enough. If ground is flat and you want a JD 14 or 24 baler,get one with a wisconsin engine. It will pull the baler by itself,without wagon.

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bgoathill

01-12-2007 17:41:51

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

I have used an H Farmall for years to pull my 270 New Holland. Worked fine for me. I just got a 504 this summer and didn't realize how easy hay making could be.

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old

01-12-2007 19:36:08

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to bgoathill, 01-12-2007 17:41:51

Ya but an H is a 4000lbs plus tractor and where made to do real work where as to newer little tractors and big fancy lawn mower at best.

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old

01-12-2007 15:03:51

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to buckskins3232, 01-12-2007 14:17:05

Well unless you find a baler with its own engine forget it. Your tractor doesn't have the HP needed to pull a baler and turn it over at the same time. Ya it might do it but it would be worn out in a year or 2. Takes 30 plus HP and a heave tractor to bale both safely and also not work a tractor to death. You also almost need live PTO or you will have fun just getting moveing. A baler takes 10 plus HP just to run it and that would only leave you 10 to pull with and thats not enough

Hobby farm

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BDT in Minnesota

01-24-2007 20:05:26

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to old, 01-12-2007 15:03:51

I agree with Old,,Compact tractors and PTO balers would be a bad mix...The wisconsin engine on a baler may enable you to pull the baler alone, but the pulse from the plunger will most likely have a field day with a compact tractor..Are your fields all level??? If not,,,A little tractor and a big baler on a sidehill could easily make the 6 o'clock news`...I baled with a WD Allis and a New Holland 268 PTO baler back in the mid 60's..My uncle and I liked firm bales and they took some power to make... The WD would get a workout in heavy hay, especially in softer ground or on a sidehill...Not a job for a lightweight for sure..

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ARRRGH!

01-12-2007 15:50:45

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Re: HP for a baler in reply to old, 01-12-2007 15:03:51

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