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Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type?

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Scott Griffith

01-11-2007 18:47:57




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I'm down in Georgia and want to plant a few fields in hay this Spring. Should I go with a no-till drill even though I plan on turning the fields that I plant? How does everyone else plant hay seed around these parts? How often should I use a turn plow? Every winter? I have a chance to purchase a John Deere 450. Should I wait and go with a different drill or method altogether? Both of the fields I intend to plant need to be turned with a plow initially.

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kyhayman

01-13-2007 16:45:31




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 Re: Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type? in reply to Scott Griffith, 01-11-2007 18:47:57  
Were I purchasing, Id not even consider getting anything but a notil drill. Even on prepared land, I only use a notil drill for grass or legume planting. As to how often to plow, as far as having to, that far south, never. I chisel plow a little bit, when Im rotating out of alfalfa, otherwise, I spray it and plant it. If its cold wet soils in some areas, plowing is essential. From here, south, its generally optional. I've plowed all of 5 acres with a moldboard plow in the last 15 years on 300 acres except for my alfalfa that got the chisel.

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redlevel

01-12-2007 11:37:14




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 Re: Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type? in reply to Scott Griffith, 01-11-2007 18:47:57  
What kind of grass are you planting? How large are the fields? If you are much South of Atlanta, and you want permanant hay fields, then you should plant a hybrid bermuda or some type of bahaia grass. Hybrid Bermuda isn't planted with a drill, but is "sprigged" with a unique sort of machine. Bahaia can be planted with a drill with a small seed attachment. If you are turning the fields, you would want a conventional drill. It would be a good idea to take a soil sample and turn under some lime if the ph is low. I live in South Georgia and have a couple hundred acres in hay fields and pasture. Email me if want to pick my brain.

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Jerry D in NC

01-12-2007 09:49:08




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 Re: Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type? in reply to Scott Griffith, 01-11-2007 18:47:57  
If you are preparing the ground then why are you worrying about a drill. Prepare a good seed bed and sow the seed (multiple ways of doing this but a conical fertilizer spreader can be made to work here fairly well). Use a drag harrow, not a disc harrow, and smooth over it or if you have an old cultipacker sitting around then run that over it to pack it down. Old ways still work great and make for a very uniform crop. You want to use a notill when you do not want to plow and work the land. As for turning the land every so often, I would let the stand of hay dictate that. i would not plow under a good stand of hay just to risk getting a good stand back

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Leroy

01-12-2007 04:45:19




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 Re: Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type? in reply to Scott Griffith, 01-11-2007 18:47:57  
Sounds like you just want the drill for hay so that would be some of your cornserns as to what you want. Around here (Ohio) most no till drills are not setup to be able to handle grass seed. Then and I do not know tru this is but I have heard that with the weight of the no till drill that on loose worked soil that they can not hold depth with them. Then there is the amount you want to seed, sounds like only a few acres and is it worth the thousands$$$ for a notill or a couple of hundred$ for a plain drill and then how much horsepower do you have, you can pull a regular type drill 15' wide with a 25 horsepower tractor but a 7' notill requires minimum of 70 horse power with more likely a hundred horsepower. And depending on the hay crop you want to plow would depending on if you had an anual crop that only lasts one year or a perenial that can last 2 years or 30 years and if you want to rotate to a different crop after a certain time. Too many unanswered questions to for anybody to give a good answer

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W R

01-11-2007 19:48:12




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 Re: Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type? in reply to Scott Griffith, 01-11-2007 18:47:57  
Prefer to prepare the ground.



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Blue guy

01-11-2007 19:35:54




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 Re: Grain Drill No Till, or Prepared Ground Type? in reply to Scott Griffith, 01-11-2007 18:47:57  
Depends on what your planting. Some plantings do better in the fall, some in the spring.



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