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Drum Mowers???

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Tim Daulton

12-29-2006 10:00:59




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Okay guys, Give me the scoop on drum mowers. The good and the bad. I've had dealers tell me here in Kentucky to stay away from them. I know their about have price of the disc mowers but never seen one in operation. What about them?




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Bullfiddler

12-30-2006 14:35:54




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  
I just bought a CCM 165 last summer and so far, I like it alot. I have a 60 hp David Brown and I can mow at 8 mph all day long at 8:00 in the morning with a heavy dew. At that speed, I can mow a little bit more per hour than a standard haybine. The biggest thing for making hay is you need a tedder to condition the hay after you mow.



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Hay DR

12-30-2006 11:43:10




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  
We often get the question aske to us,"would you recommmend a disk mower over a drum?"

It is all in the application. If you need the capacity of 5-10 acres an hour no question the disc mower is the best choice. The CCM drum mowers are priced such the smaller operator can have the cutting technology of the disc mowers at less than half the price of a disc mower. A operator that is cutting 50 acres or less of hay can purchase a new drum mower for less than $2,500. It's a great fit for the 25-60 HP tractors. That drum mower will last them 20 years. Few disc mowers will last 20 years.

The shaft drive system used in the Agco/New Idea, Vermeer, Lely & Haymaxx disc mowers has 1/3 less moving parts and 10-20% less weight of the oil bath style cutterbars. Since there are 1/3 less moving parts the shaft drive cutterbars need 20% less power to operate them. When you see that most 3 point disc mowers are used on tractors from 40-60 PTO HP you can understand why operating with less HP and weighing less is a great advantage over the oil bath style mowers. Smaller tractors are more fuel efficient and do compact the soil as much as the larger tractors. These shaft drive mowers use sealed bearings and use EP-0 grease as their gear lubrication. Each individual cutting head has it's own self contained gearbox. Therefore consequential damages are limited to that one gearbox and not flowing up and down a cutterbar like the oil bath style cutterbars. The shaft design does have an advantage in hilly terrain because of lubrication issues with the oil bath cutterbars. We trade for every make of mower out there and 80% of the bearing failures are in the outside 2' of the oil bath cutterbars mainly because of less lubrication of the oil flowing up hill.

We can disassemble & reassemble a shaft drive cutterbar in 2 hours or less. This is not possible on an oil bath cutterbar. Which means less down time & less cost for repairs on a shaft drive style cutterbar.

We have 25+ years experience in selling new disc mowers and have sold & serviced thousands of disc mowers from many different MFG's. We have been selling the Lely/HayMaxx shaft design since the mid-1980's.

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Tim Daulton

12-30-2006 12:18:31




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Hay DR, 12-30-2006 11:43:10  
Do you have a web site and in what state are you located?



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Hay DR

12-30-2006 12:33:41




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-30-2006 12:18:31  
Yes we have a website but YTMAG doe not want us to link to it from their site. Just search for drum mowers and Carter & Carter Machinery will come up. We are located in East Tennessee.



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Tim Daulton

12-30-2006 13:18:12




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Hay DR, 12-30-2006 12:33:41  
Found it



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mike jenezon

12-30-2006 10:32:14




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  
Hi i have and use an old lely 165 it is kinda slow because i dont have enough power on it (32 horse) when i hook it to my freinds gas massy 65 it is quite fast (until you gotta stop for gas) In all seriosness if hooked to a 50 or so horse tractor with good hyd. and steering they are great I have had very little trouble with this one . i rebuilt it when i got it 4 years ago all new bearings belts and i think it cost about 250$ the other post is right about blades they do wear kinda fast i can get about 5-10 acres on one side of a a blade set then flip em over.i pay about 7.00 a set (3 on each drum) so really quite reasonable to run . If i was looking for a new mower i would not hesitate at all on a drum mower . good luck mike

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Tim Daulton

12-30-2006 10:36:54




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to mike jenezon, 12-30-2006 10:32:14  
Good info. I have a Kabota L3130, 32 HP 4x4 with front end loader. It should handle a drum shouldn't it?



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Tim Daulton

12-30-2006 10:38:57




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-30-2006 10:36:54  
By the way the L3130 plays with a 6 foot rotary cutter. I don't know how that compares to the drum mower.



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South Ga Plowboy

12-30-2006 05:36:01




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  
I have a Vermeer model 211 made by PZ Zweegers in Holland. It is slower than a disc mower because it is only about a 6 or 7 foot cut, depends on how your tires or stabilizers are set up,but you don't see then in a pile behind the Implement Dealer's shops like you do disc cutters. The dealer don't want you or anyone else to buy a drum mower because he can't sell parts! Drum mowers don't need parts for a long time compaired to all the attention and $$ you MUST give a disc mower to get the same exact acres that you will out of a drum mower. You can call Mr. Ted Perfect in Elko, Ga. He can tell you anything you would ever want to know about the two types of mowers. His Phone # is 1(478)987-1002. The other man is the HayDr, and will probaly respond to your question on here. I use a 1975 165 MF with my drum mower. No problems. You see the Fire Ants from South America, {Illegal Aliens}, have put the old cycle mower out of business down here in the south. The drum mower hits a big antbed, {12-16" high}, it only makes a little grunt, whereas the cycle mower is cloged up. I have been told if it were posible to turn the drum mower up on it's side while running PTO speed, the drums would travel at a rate of 200 MPH. I bet the HayDr will have some technical data on this. My blades cost about $1.50 or so and it takes 4 per drum the way it is set up, now I think you can have more or less blades if you want. The blades are reversible and I usually get 8 acres with the antbeds and such before swapping them to the opposite Drum. swap time is about 1-2 minutes

The down sides are: 1. Hard to hook up to by your self the first time.

2. When in transport position, there is a lot of weight hanging out back. I got weights on the front.

3. To cross the road you either drag your mower on the pavement or put it in transport position which is done manually.

All said mine is not going anywhere!
Other folks will have more details for you on this subject I'm sure.

Good luck Sir; South Ga. Plowboy

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Tim Daulton

12-30-2006 10:32:14




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to South Ga Plowboy, 12-30-2006 05:36:01  
Wow, that was good info. Thanks South Georgia Plowboy. How does yours compare to the CCM drum mower? I think they sell for about $2500.00



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South Ga Plowboy

12-30-2006 19:37:18




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-30-2006 10:32:14  
Tim: I'm not sure about the comparison, You see I love to buy broken hay equipment and fix it, then use it! I bought mine broken at the local auction here in Cordele several years ago for around $400.00 I think. I've never priced a new one, but make no mistake, Sir, I had covered many acres on my dearly departed Friend's Vermeer 211 that no one knew how old it was then, and it's still being used I think. I helped put a bearing in it the year before he crossed the river Jordan and he said at that time that was the only thing he had ever done to it. Really simple to work on it was. I knew after working on it that one day I would own one of them ant bed flatening, rat cutting in two, cyclone sounding hay machines!!!

I think the Hay Dr has the correct size mower for your tractor. He'd be more knowledgable about new ones anyway. I don't want a new anything, let some one else depreciate it! Good luck in your quest, Sir; South Ga Plowboy

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KEH

12-29-2006 18:46:41




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  

Saw this earlier and wasn't going to respond because I've never used one, but since no one else has responded I will give you the benefit of what I have heard from people that have used them.

Drum mowers are very simple and don't cost too much to maintain. The common drum mower has two cutting drums, belt driven with rugged bearings and shafts. The three point hitch lowers the mower to cut with. For transport position, raise the 3ph and manually turn the cutter head straight to the rear. No hoses to hook up. As I see it, the disadvantage is that the two drums have a limited cutting width of about 7 feet. If this is wide enough for you, then I really can't see much disadvantage. I don't know about resale value, but I have been through the used disc mower experience and IMO they don't have much resale value either. Hope this helps.

KEH

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Tim Daulton

12-29-2006 19:51:45




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to KEH , 12-29-2006 18:46:41  
Thanks KEH for the reply and good info. I've heard some on the forum give positive feedback on the drum mowers but with not much detail (brands, etc) plus, the dealer I talked to is a very reputable dealer. I have a small operation and now use an old (slow) IH 1190 haybine. I know you can get a drum fo about $2500.00 I would like to hear from some who have experience with the drum mowers. There's nothing like experience you know.

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tn terry t

12-29-2006 18:31:21




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  
Tim i just clicked in this forum just to ask the same question maybe someone will help us out



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tn terry t

12-29-2006 18:28:53




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to Tim Daulton, 12-29-2006 10:00:59  
Tim i just clicked in this forum just to ask the same question maybe someone will help us out



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oland

12-30-2006 18:29:51




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 Re: Drum Mowers??? in reply to tn terry t, 12-29-2006 18:28:53  
I have a PZ drum mower that I have had for about 9 years. I have about 30 acres of Coastal Bermuda hay that I cut three to four times a season. In the time that I have had the mower the only thing that I have spent on it is blades! It uses three for each of the two drums and they cost about 1.50 each. I don't think that you can beat a drum mower unless you need the extra width of the disc mower. The previous mower that I had was a Kuhn disc mower. I got good service out of it but it was not as trouble free and maintenance free as the drum mower and it was about 50% higher in purchase price. What sold me on them was when I talked to the distributor the year I bought it at the Sunbelt expo. He told me they handled Vicon disc mowers and the PZ drum mowers and the drum mower would lasat longer with less upkeep. The only disadvantage, as someone has previously stated is they are quite heavy in the transport position and they tend to windrow the hay more than the the disc mowers do si it is essential that you fluff the hay to spread it. A neighbor of mine has a Fella drum mower that he loves too. I think that it actually cuts a little btter than the PZ that I have.

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