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shane louderbac

12-26-2006 07:26:23

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I put up around 6000-7000 small square bales a year that i sell to horse people. I am looking into a bale accumulator system and have found the rafter m equipment ten bale accumulator and the kuhn 15 bale accumulator. The rafter m equipment system drags the bales on the ground but use the two tie bale system and you can load your wagons like you loaded them by hand using the grapple. The kuhn system has a 15 bale system the put the bales on edge and the bales do not drag the ground. But loading your wagon you must have at least a nine foot wide wagon since the bales i make are at least 36 inches in length. Has anyone have any experience using the rafter m equipment accumulator and/or the kuhn system? If so how did the work and what would you recommend. I am just trying to get some ideas before i drop around $10,000 on this system.

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billyar

12-27-2006 04:43:34

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

I have used a drag type for 8 years in alfalfa.

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shane louderback

12-27-2006 06:35:12

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to billyar, 12-27-2006 04:43:34

What kind of drag type do you use? Do you see any damage to the bales from dragging the ground? I sell my hay to horse people, which are pretty picky about the quality of the hay. They want it nice and green with no dust, dirt, and the bales have to look nice. Overall, what kind of experience have you had with your accumulator? Thanks

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RickL

12-26-2006 10:26:36

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

Shane; there are lots more out there although they are all doing same thing and are very similiar how they do it. steffens make unit,netherexe now agway,parker,Hoelscher khun etc. I run a Hoelscher unit ,with two grapples,for several years now. Kuhn also makes a ten bale unit. they all take baler set that can be pretty uniform in size and you are going to size the bales to it not just pick a number in length you want,no matter what brand in most of them.
drag on ground units don't like uneven ground etc
For more of the tricks and headaches call only 319-257-6767 you will not be the first. You can get low used Hoelscher with grapple forbelow figure you mentioned. if you call I will explain that. Better yet if you not long ways away come next spring and you can run my unit to see what they can do non stop.

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shane louderback

12-26-2006 11:27:44

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to RickL, 12-26-2006 10:26:36

Thanks for the reply. I have looked into the Hoelscher and ten bale Kuhn unit. But the ten bales on edge will not fill out my 8 foot wide wagons completely, there is still about foot and half to two feet in width left on my wagon with the five on edge. Also, the Hoelscher unit is hydraulic and I am trying to stay away from anything hydraulic. I looked at the 15 bale Kuhn unit but I would have to add six inches to each side of my wagons so that the bales would not hang over the edges too much. The ten bale units just don't fill out my wagons that I would like.

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Larry NE IL

12-27-2006 09:57:53

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 11:27:44

Shane, You can fill your wagon to the edge by picking part loads with the grapple, but Unless your loading a trailer for the road, what is the difference? I've used a drag type accumulator for 4 years now and love it.(8 bale) I stack two piles 6 high and one tie on top for 108 bales /wagon load. They load and unload so fast you don't need to completely fill a trailer.
The only problem with the drag accumulators is if you drag to long of a distance they will break strings. Larry NE IL

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shane louderback

12-27-2006 10:28:58

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to Larry NE IL, 12-27-2006 09:57:53

Thanks for the reply. I do fill my wagons for the road, since people buy my hay and take the wagons home and they unload. I hardly ever have to unload my wagons by hand. Take a look at the rafter m equipment accumulator tell me what you think. It uses the two tie bale system in a 10 bale accumulator. It lays out the bales the same way I stack my wagons.

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RickL

12-26-2006 15:48:13

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 11:27:44

Shane; The Hoelscher you can make them longer if you need two once you get it figured out. I am using 9ft wide trilers and pretty well fil them out ands have also put them on three deep with some overhang they ride alright if you have solid bales. alot of the other units you don't have whole lot of vary in your bale length in the ones I have actuallly seen. ones that drag on ground I just don't care for. In some cutting they really get dragged along ways etc. None of them are trouble free,be sure keep that in mind when starting out with them. Broken bales are harder to get out of the drag units sometimes also. Parker makes a nice unit also appears like, but I have never seen it in real. Hoelscher is simple design open table for easy access to busted bale etc and you can still operate them even when your bales are not all equall. I strongly suggest you see one in action first. the other thing I have seen happen in hills and valley they will try to roll the bale,thats what the unit was doing at the hay show I was told. Everybody has there choice and thats fine,its whatever works for them. I run the Hoelscher and would not go to a ground drag unit,Kuhn would be my second unit maybe,but more likely will go with another hoelscher unit as I know how to make them nonstoppable. Three changes and boy what a difference. After running unit for over ten years or so i like them on edge also. they ride alot better since you have rough edge to rough edge,alot less sliding off you will find out also. Grapples most of then have opposing teeth when the grab,personally I don't care for that, I like them to all grab same direction making bales stay against the back stop on grapple. Also grapples that have no side bar or back stop I do not like. have grapple on skidloader and another unit on tractor loader.. I will be changing my unit to twelve before next season since that what goes in 102 inch wide van trailers very nicely. I use old donahue implement trailers for my wagons 28ft long. I put 44 to layer and go 6 layers high have 7 of them. Will have ten of them before next season also. One other item to keep in mind is some units drop the bundles close to your next windrow so you will not be able to make it past when doing the next windrow unless you have someone picking them up. Have to learn to bale different or rake more windrows together. I need short 15ft to get by with my unit. Put three windrow together at least to get the room to bale by myself and keep going.Like I said earlier give me call for they three mods to really make unit fool proof if you get unit like I have. good luck

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Cliff Neubauer

12-26-2006 10:13:27

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

I've talked to a couple of guys using the drag style accumulator's and they say that the dragging really doesn't hurt the bales at all unless the ground is wet. The 15 bale accumulator's will require wider wagons but you're going to be handling 50% fewer stacks than a 10 bale model so they would be alot faster.

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shane louoderback

12-26-2006 11:36:49

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 12-26-2006 10:13:27

thanks for the reply.

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JMS/MN

12-26-2006 08:53:55

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

Prairie Farm Report has a video showing a HM accumulator that collects bales on edge- about 15-20 per group, retrieved by a stacker fork on a loader.Like Errin mentions, wheeled skidloaders can be pretty aggressive, but RUBBER tracks leave a minimalal amount of damage. Landscapers like them.

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shane louderback

12-26-2006 11:35:22

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to JMS/MN, 12-26-2006 08:53:55

Thanks. I will check it out.

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Errin OH

12-26-2006 08:26:25

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

While I can't speak to the operation, I have been told if you plan to sell hay do not use a drag on the ground accumulator. It get the bales pretty dusty, and tears up the edge. I would also consider what the skidsteer/loader is going to do to your hay field. It likely would not matter for grass hay but if you invest $$$ in to a good alfalfa stand, the last thing you want is tearing it up spinning a loaded skidsteer around. That one I have seen personally. Makes a mess of a nice stand.

Don't get me wrong I love not having to touch a bale. I just didn't care for the bald spots that develod after a couple years. I try not to drive on/across the field as much as possible and no sharp, drag wheels, turning.

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shane loudereback

12-26-2006 11:34:32

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to Errin OH, 12-26-2006 08:26:25

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I plan on selling my hay. I heard both sides of the ground accumulators about how they do and do not hurt the bales. Also if you double windrow your hay or have heavy enough windrows you should not have to drag the hay around very long before you get the accumulator full to dump its load. My fields are pretty flat and I will be using a tractor loader and not a skid steer so the damage to the field from the tractor loading the hay would be very little if any damage.

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El Toro

12-26-2006 08:23:53

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

Have you seen the steffen system? Hal

www.steffensystem.com/

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shane louderback

12-26-2006 11:16:47

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to El Toro, 12-26-2006 08:23:53

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have seen the Steffens systems up close and personal. It has two many moving parts, plus the hydrualics, and electrical involved for the swithes and etc really sort of turned me off. Plus the unit and grapple was kind of pricy.

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Iowa Jim

12-26-2006 08:11:56

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Re: bale accumulator in reply to shane louderback, 12-26-2006 07:26:23

I too have been researching accumulators. I recently viewed the CD sent by Rafter M and like the tie bale concept since, as you stated, it is nearly identical to the manner in which an 8' wagon is loaded.

I have looked at the Kuhn literature, but don't like the size.

The Hoelscher is very nice and I have watched several units in use over the past few years. I am impressed.

We will be adding an accumulator in the future, but not this year.

Jim

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