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Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine?

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Bill VA

12-25-2006 18:51:04




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When using a haybine with a sickle cutter or a discbine with the disc cutter, how does this impact leaf loss and in doing so, reduce the amount of food contained in a bale of hay?

Just wondering.

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Bill




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signman

12-28-2006 04:18:30




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to Bill VA, 12-25-2006 18:51:04  
For what it is worth. My New Idea disc bine broke down in the middle of cutting our second crop of hay and I hired a neighbor to come in with a 489 New Holland sickle machine. With 27' swaths raked together we took an extra 1,000# of hay per round on 1/2 mile rows. That was significant. In our area we have rocks and to be the dissenter the disc mowers are way to expensive to operate on land that we rent and don't know the rock history until to late. You can do hundreds of dollars damage with one fist size rock compared to a guard and couple sickle sections. Since we also custom bale a few thousand bales a year we also see that our best hay producers are using the sickle machines. 3-5 day faster regrowth, less leaf loss and lower cost of ownership. I gor rid of that disc mower and have almost not repairs with my Mac Don hydra swing.

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hayray

12-28-2006 05:02:05




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to signman, 12-28-2006 04:18:30  
I have ran all sorts of rocks through my mower and never did more than bend a knife, which I can replace alot faster than a knife guard and knife on a sickle bar. I think the disc mower is no doubt way more durable than a sickle mower conditioner, you must have owned some real cheap piece of junk if it broke every time you hit a rock.



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signman

12-28-2006 19:35:54




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to hayray, 12-28-2006 05:02:05  
I will agree that a 5209 New Idea may not be the best machine built. But the repairs are definitly higher. I have to look at the 800 ton of my own hay harvested this year as well as the other 2000 ton that was custom baled. In our area the discbines are losing fast. I didn't bale a single bale out of a disc mower this year. The dairy men have found in our short season that the stunted regrow costs a whole cutting. The numbers on the bottom line have forced many in our area to go back to sickles. I will agree you can cut faster with a disc but that is about it.

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Cliff Neubauer

12-26-2006 10:04:02




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to Bill VA, 12-25-2006 18:51:04  
The conditioner will probably loose a few leaves but it will let the stems dry before the leaves turn to powder so I think the conditioner would probably end up putting more leaves in the bale.



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Allan In NE

12-26-2006 04:15:17




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to Bill VA, 12-25-2006 18:51:04  
I agree with the other guys.

It isn't the getting it down on the ground that is the problem.

It is how you then get it off the ground where you'll see huge differences in the different methods used.

Allan



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hayray

12-26-2006 02:37:23




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to Bill VA, 12-25-2006 18:51:04  
I don't think there is going to be a measureable difference. Most difference will be made by how you handle the hay afterwards by raking and baling. I have operated only a disc mower/conditioner for years and very few people in my area put up a bale with as high as a leaf content as mine, mainly because of tedding and raking.



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kyhayman

12-25-2006 19:44:04




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to Bill VA, 12-25-2006 18:51:04  
I've run them both, as a field observation only, I've never observed a difference coming out of the mower.... but..... .... with the disc its mighty attractive to leave the bar down to trim up those 'stickups'. When you do it cuts the swath to mush. Effectively, I think I get more hay out of a sickle bar haybine than the discmower or discbine. But..... .... (another one of those), the cutting speed is effective a third faster with the discmower/discbine and my upkeep and down time are a lot higher on the sickle bar haybine. I'll use the sickle bar haybine in really high quality 3rd/4th cutting alfalfa, otherwise, the speed and lower cost of the discmower wins out. When I win the lottery a new disc conditioner will replace the sickle bar for good.

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Tim Shultz

12-25-2006 18:58:43




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 Re: Leaf Loss Haybine or Discbine? in reply to Bill VA, 12-25-2006 18:51:04  
I would say that it is so close that it don't matter what way you go.. what end up mattering is how wet/dry the hay is when you cut it.. from what I have seen..
just my .02 worth..
Tim Shultz



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