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Replacing baler engine

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hayrookie

12-23-2006 10:20:14




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I have 2 square balers with Wisconsin engines that don"t run. Can I replace these with a regular 16HP engine. I think the wisconsin is only rated at 17HP anyway. Have seen some 16HP japanese imports on ebay for just over $300 for a honda lookalike. Compared to $1600 for a honda. I plan on pulling the baler with an 8N so don"t have the power to spare to run off PTO and don"t have live PTO.
The person selling the engines has lots of good feedback and everyone seems happy. And for that price I could afford to put a new engine on both balers. Can barely justify spending $1600 for one nevermind $3200 for both. Thanks

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BCnT

12-24-2006 08:59:27




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
something else to consider is flywheel weight...that will make all the difference in the world on any app that requires alot of torque.



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hayrookie

12-23-2006 21:46:37




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
Looks like I will try getting the Wisconsin engines running. Does anyone know a good source for parts for these engines. I have a manual and was able to get spark back on both engines and can get one to pop once, but it won't stay running. The other one I was told needs a head gasket.



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supergrumpy

12-24-2006 10:55:44




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie , 12-23-2006 21:46:37  
if the engines aren't seized or have thrown rods, bad stuff like that, getting them running is mostly a matter of time plus some luck

you likely have valves stuck open from the engine sitting, compression check will tell you the answer

new spark plugs, can of ether, some trany fluid down the spark plug holes, choice cuss words, those old timers sure sound good when they smooth out after sitting all those years

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jc

12-25-2006 18:00:47




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to supergrumpy, 12-24-2006 10:55:44  
Research shows tha the addition of cuss words has a more negitive effect than positive.



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El Toro

12-24-2006 04:45:20




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie , 12-23-2006 21:46:37  
You can try foleyengines at 1-800-233-6539. Hal



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TomTX

12-23-2006 19:34:10




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
Some good advice below. You will wasting $300 or more with your engine purchase, and will not be satisfied with performance. I soubt you will get one or two hay seasons out of the cheap engine. It don't have the governor ability, and I really doubt the torque if a real load slows down the baler a little. Do a complete rebuild on the engines you have and you will be set for years. Tom



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Roger in Iowa

12-23-2006 16:54:23




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
What Wisconsin engine do the baler have?

I have a VE4 that runs off of a New Holland I'd sell for $100.

Roger in Iowa



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hayrookie

12-23-2006 21:16:14




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to Roger in Iowa, 12-23-2006 16:54:23  
Rojer do you have a picture. Can it be shipped because I live in Massachusetts. Do you know what New Holland it came off of.



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Roger in Iowa

12-24-2006 13:02:50




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 21:16:14  
Don't have a digital camera or other pics. Engine is off of an OLD New Holland. Don't know the model. Baler had a "stuffer" or china man that assisted with hay into the chamber.

Sheave on engine is about 6" in diameter with grooves for four belts. Engine is V-4 with magneto. No starter. Hand crank or electric drill with adaptor only.

I have had for forty years with it being used in a skid steer for a couple of days and no starter so did not work well there. I start it occassionally.

Freight to Mass would be over $200 or more.

Will take pics if you want.

Roger in Iowa e is open

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hayrookie

12-23-2006 17:20:54




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to Roger in Iowa, 12-23-2006 16:54:23  
Rojer do you have a picture. Can it be shipped because I live in Massachusetts. Do you know what New Holland it came off of.



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El Toro

12-23-2006 12:55:34




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
I agree with old on rebuilding the old engine. That engine probably only turned 1800 rpm's. Hal



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msb

12-23-2006 12:28:40




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
Agree with the others.It isn't just about horsepower.The torque curve of the old Wisconsin will much more nearly fit the needs of a baler plus there is the governor to consider.I seriously doubt the engine governors you are considering will stand up to the constant pulsations of operating a baler.
Besides there is no sweeter sound than a Wisconsin engine's pulsating exhaust noise on a baler in a heavy windrow.I can just close my eyes and still hear my dad's 1944 Case Slicer(hand wire tied) engine as it ran on that old baler when I was just a pup.

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old

12-23-2006 11:55:17




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
Why not just fix the engine you have?? Shoot last year I rebuilt a koler engine from a Bobcat and we spent less then $300 on parts and that included machine shop work on the block. Them old engines are hard to beat and if you do the right things will still be running 30 years from now. And yes you can still find parts for them

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hayrookie

12-23-2006 11:09:10




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
So I would probably have to use a smaller drive pulley on the engine to compensate for the higher RPM's? Which would also give me a little more torque?



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ebbsspeed

12-23-2006 14:48:48




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 11:09:10  
Yes, you"d have to know what RPM the Wisconsin ran at and what RPM the new motor develops it"s rated horsepower, and downsize the pulley accordingly. The new motor is likely rated at 3600 RPM, so if the Wisconsin was doing the job at 1800, you"d use a pulley half the diameter of the one on the Wisconsin to get the same baler flywheel RPM.



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fixerupper

12-23-2006 18:08:55




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-23-2006 14:48:48  
If I remember right the standard flat pulley on the Wisconsin wasn't that big to begin with. The Wisconsin probably has more cubes per horse, meaning more grunt and longevity compared to a new high speed 'rubber band' air cooled engine. The one good thing about a new engine is it will probably start up again if it is shut off hot.Jim



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Joe(TX)

12-23-2006 11:01:18




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to hayrookie, 12-23-2006 10:20:14  
It would depend on what rpm those engines are running at for the 16hp. The Wisconsin is running much slower than the small engines you are talking about. That means it has more torque at the speed you need.



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buickanddeere

12-23-2006 17:03:13




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 Re: Replacing baler engine in reply to Joe(TX), 12-23-2006 11:01:18  
If both the engines are turning the baler at "540" and both engines can make 16HP. That means both engines can do the same amount of work per hour. How about just putting a pto shaft on the baler and driving it off the tractor?



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