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Hay trucks-how are they loaded

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wkw

12-19-2006 21:37:24




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Ever since my wife convinced me that moving to the country and raising horses is the lifestyle I have always wanted, I feel like I am living a crash course in trying to learn all things about agriculture and farming.

My wife says I am almost a farmer now because I now posess an 1965 IH B414 with a total of 4 implements!

However, what all my neighbour farmers take for granted, I usually have no idea of what they are talking about and I either stand there nodding my head like I understand what they are talking about or else I am like a three year old asking questions like there is no tomorrow.

In my recent attempt to try to understand how farm things work I was puzzled by the following. When we order hay for the horses from a local supplier he gladly, for a pretty nice price, delivers a load of some 400 small squares on a tilting deck truck.

How do they load those bales on the truck? I know that can"t be doing it by hand because it sure takes me a long time to unload that pile into my barn loft (which has led me to believe that I can save myself a lot of lower back pain if I build a pole shed that he can unload that trailer into).

I hope this question isn"t too goofy and I hope that you all will entertain more of these kind of questions from me in the future.

Thanks
Ken
Drumheller, Alberta
Canada

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Oldmax

01-12-2007 05:56:29




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
You learn to appricate Bales when you have taken up hay loose with team of horses & slead Hand stacked it in barn loft . Been a long time but can still remember Hay down the back of neck in the hottest time of year .



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unioncreek

12-22-2006 05:59:38




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Most of the guys that sell hay around here (southeast Washington) use a hay squeeze that picks up a 8' x 8' x ~10' stack and just set it right on the truck. I havent' had a chance to see the machine that stacks them in the field that way, but hear they work pretty good.

Bobg



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Hard Knocks

12-22-2006 03:50:49




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
400 bales is a warm up.Back in the late 60's and
70's 3 of us used to cut, rake,bale and put up
over 30,000 bales a year for ourselves and custom work. Plenty of days we raked,baled and hauled 1200 bales. Biggest shock to city boys when they hit the farm is the amount of hard work
that has to be done.I'll say I do like the large round bales.



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billy ar

12-22-2006 01:33:14




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
grabber is the only way to go.



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Easy1

12-20-2006 16:09:25




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
I used to buy hay from a "retired" dairy farmer. Skinny guy, about 6ft 3. I bought 200 bales, had 2 wagons of my own. I started loading 1 and he did the other. When I got to about 70 bales, I was about done. Gary came over and helped me finish. He had already finished 100 bales. And I was 20 years younger. I told him he was in pretty good shape for his age. He said what's this age shuut? LOl Great guy!

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fixerupper

12-20-2006 11:11:45




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Used to ride the hay rack behind the baler a lot and two of us would average about 300-320 bales per hour. We baled around 8000-10000 bales per summer around the neighborhood. Nice to brag about now but never want to do it again! Jim



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Dave H (MI)

12-20-2006 08:04:57




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Offer to help him sometime. You won't mind the price afterwards. :-)



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wkw

12-20-2006 09:09:33




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to Dave H (MI), 12-20-2006 08:04:57  
We have run short a few seasons and I have taken my pick-up and trailer to get about 80 bales. Seems he never gave me a price break with me doing all the loading and stacking! But again I never said anything.



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FreeRanger

12-20-2006 20:37:53




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-20-2006 09:09:33  
When you say you "have run short a few seasons" I take that as you need more hay bales late in the winter. Depending on your location and the availability of hay in your area, the price goes up not down late in the winter. Supply and demand. I look at it this way, I have provided storage space all winter for your horse hay. So no I don't lower my price just because you load and stack the bales you are purchasing.

Heck I haven't sold any hay yet this winter. I have only sold "off the wagon" at each taking of the crop. My main horse buyer doesn't have enough space to take all he needs at one shot. I am sitting on at least 450 bales that my sheep don't need this winter. I usually sell out at the end of February or March.

Also keep in mind all bales are not not the same, even from the same farmer. My first crop bales may or may not be worth as much as the second or third crop bales. I also have different types of hay fields so even in one harvest I have bales that are 100% grass and bales that are 50/50 grass/alfalfa. Some horse buyers are willing to pay a premium for the 100% grass bales with no thistle. Because this is Dairyland, there is usually plenty of 100% alfalfa bales all winter, but you might have to take round bales....

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wkw

12-20-2006 21:25:21




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to FreeRanger, 12-20-2006 20:37:53  
I understand what you are saying. I was not expecting a discount for loading myself and was grateful for being able to get additional bales from my supplier. The two times we were short was because we unexpectedly were involved in the rescue of a number horses in addition to our own herd that we didn't factor into our hay requirement calculations. I always look for ways to support the agricultural activites of my neighbours and understand that my small purchases are not going to put them on easy street so I don't show up to dicker their prices. I am becoming more familiar with all the input and operating costs that the local farmers face.

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kyhayman

12-20-2006 07:16:25




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Normally a 3 man crew should have 400 bales on a truck in 2 hours tops, ready to roll.



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wkw

12-20-2006 07:00:46




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Boy, its a good thing that I don't grow hay for a living because by the time I got a truck loaded by hand the next years crop would be ready!

I quess if your are farming you sure hope your family includes a lot of boys!



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Dave H (MI)

12-20-2006 08:02:29




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-20-2006 07:00:46  
Nothing but girls here to help me and we do just fine, thank you. Girls are better workers than most of the men you would get to do that type of work. Great workout prior to basketball season too....another thing they do better IMHO.

Dave



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wkw

12-20-2006 09:05:32




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to Dave H (MI), 12-20-2006 08:02:29  
My apologies Dave. I didn't mean to slight the girls. I should have said you want to have a number of kids around to help.



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WyoDave

12-20-2006 04:41:38




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
If the supplier loads quite a few semi loads he probably has something similar to the item pictured. This one picks up 12 bales at a time and stacks them on the truck. If he's a smaller guy he could be doing it all by hand.
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Bill in Colo

12-20-2006 11:51:45




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to WyoDave, 12-20-2006 04:41:38  
Two operations in our area use heads simular yours but ,15 or 18 bales depending on size bale and they rotate 90 degrees. they manage to load enclosed 53 foot vans and only handle a few bales in the front.full gross loads, will post picture next time they are near. Hay mostly goes to south Florida.



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low budget

12-20-2006 04:13:17




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
A crew of 3 or 4 or more makes a big difference from doing it alone. .



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Don-Wi

12-19-2006 23:34:42




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Most guys in this area load by hand, They'll get a crew and can have a semi loaded in about 1 hr. or less.


Some have a graple that will pick up a bunch all at once with the loader tractor.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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RickL

12-19-2006 23:25:09




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
I do it with a grapple on loader, go to Hoelscher accumulator it will show you a picture of one style. This is just one of the systems out there



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shoeie

12-19-2006 22:41:47




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to wkw, 12-19-2006 21:37:24  
Guess what Ken, they do load them by hand. One bale at a time.



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Bill of TN

12-20-2006 07:59:17




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to shoeie, 12-19-2006 22:41:47  
You guys are bringing back childhood memories.....

I hauled hay most every summer of my youth.....I remember the farmer starting to bale about the time the dew lifted and hay dried....just after noon.....always hot that time of the day....open tractor, no cab, no airconditioning...

Kids....usually a half a dozen or so, would start picking up hay out of the field about 3 pm..... stop for dinner which was brought to the field.....and work well into the night unless there was a heavy dew.....

depending on how many kids showed up, might have a couple of tractors and hay wagons, with one kid stacking and two picking up, one on the tractor which moved in low gear.....

I remember that more than once, when the hay was stacked 7 layers high, and all the kids on top, we would loose the load on the way to the barn.....kids....hay....tumbling from 10 or 12 feet in the air..... .

I remember wasp nest in the hay loft and how hot a loft is around 5 pm.....

Paid 2 cents a bale.....so, 5 kids put up 500 bales came out to a buck a piece.....

If you worked hard, you might get to work tobacco...which paid real money....buck an hour!

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Rexalot

12-21-2006 06:51:10




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 Re: Hay trucks-how are they loaded in reply to Bill of TN, 12-20-2006 07:59:17  
I bet it's loaded by hand. It's how I do all mine. 400 bales... thats a couple of hours work. Whew.

I have a daughter for help, but she's more of the "operator" during bale season. I started letting her run the tractor on her own when she was 14,(she's 15 now) baling straw with my Ford 871. She graduated to the Oliver 1800 this past summer. (Claims if for herself now... guess I need to find me another)

I put her up in the loft when I unload since I can pitch them in farther and she's able to stack easy enough with the low ceiling in my horse barn so it works out. She's on the petite size, so usually her mother will end up coming out to help her. (I get 2 for 1)

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