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What size cylinder do I need?

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Michael Price

12-13-2006 14:37:15




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I gat a 8 foot kewanee transport disk and need to get a cylinder for it. Its pretty heavy so I dont want to get one to small. Im wondering what size bore I need, is 3in enough or even 2in? Thanks for the help.




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Rick Kr

12-14-2006 12:00:18




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-13-2006 14:37:15  
Michael,

I lift a 13ft JD disk with a 3x8 cylinder. A 3" would be more than enough to pick up an 8" disk. I picked the 3" cause it cost only $2 more than the 2" at TSC. And I also use it on three other implements.

Cant argue about the others posting a 3 vs 4 inch. All my work is on my 30 acres, I dont transport my equipment very far before using and I just putt slow when the equip. is raised.

Your 5500N should have tons (ha ha) of power on the hydraulics. Unless the pump is real tired.


Rick

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Michael Price

12-14-2006 12:22:57




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Rick Kr, 12-14-2006 12:00:18  
You guys got me going in circles lol. Well I guess Ill watch for a used cylinder3 or 4in but if I end up buying a new one I guess Ill try the 3in.



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RodInNS

12-14-2006 09:16:27




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-13-2006 14:37:15  
3", and don't worry about it. You probably only saw the 3" on the shelf for a reason. 3x8" impliment cylinders are the standard for most impliments like that. I'm lifting a 2 ton, 9' offest with one, and it has no problem. No bent rods, and no resealing either.

Rod



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msb

12-13-2006 21:03:44




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-13-2006 14:37:15  
A 4 inch cylinder will be an overkill and will slow the lift cycle time down.A 3" cylinder used on an old tractor with 1200 PSI will give you 8,440 lb. of lift. A 3.5" cylinder at 1,200 psi will give you 10,500lbs of lift. A 3" cylinder at 2250 psi will give you 15,750 lbs of lift. a 3.5" cylinder at 2250 psi will give you over 20,000 lbs of lift.Save your money and buy the smaller 3"cylinder.A 2"cylinder on an older hydraulic system might be a bit short of power, but would be o.k. on a late model tractor or even an older AC WD45 tractor.

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michael price

12-13-2006 19:08:29




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-13-2006 14:37:15  
I was thinking 4in but I didnt want to blow the money on it if all I needed was a 2in. I will be useing a JD 5500N but hopefully in the future will have anotehr tractor, probably a older one. SO I guess 4in would be the best and safest way to go.



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Hugh MacKay

12-14-2006 03:30:24




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to michael price, 12-13-2006 19:08:29  
Michael: When I recommended 3" and preferably 4", I did not even consider the lift ability or speed of lift. I was purely recommending a cylinder that will standup to the intended use. A 2" cylinder will be bypassing internally within a month if you don't bend the ram first. Disks rarely bend hydraulic rams in the field, it happens during road travel, where one may encounter a bump on hard ground.

My dad bought a new Farmall 300 in 1955, a year or two later he bought a new Cockshutt 8' wheel controlled disk with a new 3" cylinder. Within two years we bought a new 4" cylinder. Yes, the 4" cylinder was marginally slower, as it takes more oil to make the same lift. We're not talking front end loaders here where fast cycle time is important. Your disk is probably much better off being raised more slowly anyhow.

I don't know what tractors these guys are refering to as having old and slower hydraulics. I think they best consult a hydraulic technician. The only tractor I know of that would be noticably slow on a 4" implement cylinder, would be one with an almost cooked pump. I've been running tractors since the says of first hydraulics and never seen one too slow hydraulically on any pull type implement, having only one 4" cylinder. If I remember correctly I had 8 implement cylinders on my farm, only 2 were 3" and the rest were 4". As I recall the 3" cylinders were never off haybine and forage harvester, and those both had spring assist set so man could lift header weight by hand anyhow.

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Michael Price

12-14-2006 06:59:38




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-14-2006 03:30:24  
I was going to run to quality farm and fleet and buy a new cylinder but since I got it home, barely , I think I keep an eye out for a 4in. I think they only had a 3in in the size I needed. Also Ive never seen a cylinder lift slowly. Also the way the cylinder mounts on this there isnt much leverage for it so even if it moved slow it would still pick it up fast. The guy I got it from said his friend took one to the scrap yard and it weighed 3 tons, maybe he was just trying t omake it sound like I was getting a deal. So the best I can guess it the cylinder will need about a 10000lb lift capacity if it really weighs 3 ton.

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Hugh MacKay

12-14-2006 08:25:16




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-14-2006 06:59:38  
Michael: I doubt the 8' disk weighs more than 3,000#. It's not big weight that damages light implement cylinders, but rather shock loads from bumps on hard roads when implement is raised position for transport.



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RustyFarmall

12-14-2006 05:45:26




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-14-2006 03:30:24  
Hugh, I'll add one more item to your argument. The 4 inch cylinder will have much greater resale value. Of all the farm sales I have ever attended, a 4 inch cylinder of any make will usually bring good money. Smaller cylinders will usually be grouped together in lots of two or three just to get them to sell.



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jhill52

12-13-2006 15:51:34




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-13-2006 14:37:15  
What tractor are you going to put it behind? Older tractors from the 50s have lower pressure syatems and so you need a bigger dia cylinder.

Jerry



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Hugh MacKay

12-13-2006 15:20:54




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 Re: What size cylinder do I need? in reply to Michael Price, 12-13-2006 14:37:15  
Michael: I'd go with minamum 3" and preferably 4".



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