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Intruder

11-01-2006 19:32:17




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thinking of baling my own hay but I need to know about what types of balers that a ford 8n could handle? What would be used to cut the hay?




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Ken Hull

11-08-2006 21:43:52




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder, 11-01-2006 19:32:17  
Man think again!!!! I tried to use my 9N to run a NH57 rake and had only marginal success.
When I got a ball of hay I had to get off and
manually unplug every time - I couldn"t lift the rake without the PTO running because the hydraulics for the 3PT run off the PTO; If you"re successful with mowing, then keep the Ford for that function only; hire the raking / baling.
Reasons for NOT trying to bale with the N:
1) Weight - the baler is probably going to weigh more than your 8N (of 2,400 lbs)
2) No draw bar - you were probably thinking of using a 3PT bar to pull it with; flimsy & unsafe especially on hills and turns
And for only 3 acres, the extra maintenance (keeping engine running) plus regular baler stuff like knotters, timing, chains, rollers,shear bolts, needles, etc.
And it"ll be down when your hay is!
I"ve only known of one farmer using that combination who was successful; a 20 acre farm in Wyoming, totally flat using I believe a MF 14 self powered.
Hope this helps!
Ken

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Intruder

11-09-2006 18:30:27




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Ken Hull, 11-08-2006 21:43:52  
Thanks to everyone for the info, I do have a draw bar that mounts under the rear diff. I do thank you about the weight of the baler and other maintinance issues that is the kind of info I was needing to decide. Richard



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Intruder

11-02-2006 16:26:10




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder, 11-01-2006 19:32:17  
Thanks for the info I have 3acers of coastal grass that I have been cutting, thought Iwould try baling.This is a hobby right now. What brands of self powered balers would be useful. I will have a party after baling invite my brothers over to drink beer and pickup bales out of the feild. No need to pull the wagon behind the baler



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old

11-02-2006 17:36:53




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder , 11-02-2006 16:26:10  
New Holland, JD and a few others made balers with there own engines but they can be a little hard to find now days. Most where made before 1960. One I know of was the JD-14T they where a good baler but they where also made back around 1956 give or take a few years



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JK-NY

11-02-2006 17:24:54




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder , 11-02-2006 16:26:10  
Most common engine driven baler around here was New Holland 66 , or Case but most square balers made from early 60"s and older had option of engine drive. The manual for my mid 1960"s IH #47 shows engine driven models. You might try hiring a neighbor to do the baling and start out mowing and raking and picking up the hay then either find a engine driven baler for the 8n or a bigger tractor with live pto for baling.

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Dave H (MI)

11-02-2006 12:44:12




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder, 11-01-2006 19:32:17  
They are giving it to you straight. I think you will kill the N and hurt yourself in the long run.
My old Farmall pushes 50 HP and it works like the devil running the baler. Without independent power you will clog your baler a lot and have to do a lot of work clearing it by hand...not MY favorite job.

You also have to think of all that weight behind that small tractor. Ever add up what 100 bales and a rack weigh? Want it following you down a hill? You can get a lot of seat time just cutting and raking with the N. A good Farmall M will handle the rest and costs little. Something a little newer with more bells and whistles would be even better...Super M, MTA, or later.

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RAW in IA

11-03-2006 09:55:09




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Dave H (MI), 11-02-2006 12:44:12  
We used to bale with an IH 45 baler and C farmall, loading on the wagon. Did work better with the 350 and ind. pto but the C handled it okay.



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old

11-01-2006 20:56:45




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder, 11-01-2006 19:32:17  
I agree with Hayman. An 8N works good for a sickle bar mower tractor and a rake tractor but when it comes to pulling a baler your getting into something it will do but not well and can also be just plain unsafe if you have any hills at all. Shoot I have a Ford 841 which is a lot more tractor then your 8N and I gave up useing it for a baler tractor years ago because of no live PTO and just not enough torque power to run the baler well. I switch to useing an Oliver 77 on the square baler and have never since had a baler hooked up to any of my fords. But I do have a good number of tractors so I can pick the right one for the job

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kyhayman

11-01-2006 20:23:46




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to Intruder, 11-01-2006 19:32:17  
The lack of external hydraulics, live PTO, and horsepower limitations will drastically affect your hay harvesting ability. While it can be done (small sickle mower, rake, square baler with an engine on the baler) I cant fathom that it would be cost effective verses getting a bigger and newer tractor. In most cases an 8n can be sold for enough to buy a decent 3020 JD or 1210 Case



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INCase

11-02-2006 09:18:46




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 Re: 8n ford making hay in reply to kyhayman, 11-01-2006 20:23:46  
wow. I hadn"t seen any 8N"s going for that much around here. or the 3020/1210"s going for that little..... ha. I concure with KYhayman and Old. The only way I could see an 8N handling a baler well would be if the baler had its own power unit (engine) and you didn"t pull a wagon behind it (drop bales on ground).



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