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Sudan grass to drill or broadcast.

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Fudpucker

10-24-2006 07:41:38




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Well, I finally got my wheat planted, didn't think I was going to get it done in time. I will cut it for hay in the spring. I was thinking of following it with sudan grass in the summer. We planted it as a kid, but we always disked and broadcast the seed. Have any of you guys drilled it and had success? If so what was your rate/acre. Thanks in advance
Fud




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Weldon K

10-27-2006 12:01:21




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to Fudpucker, 10-24-2006 07:41:38  
Do a search on Internet for "Sudan Grass". You will find lots of sites with information regarding how to grow it. Here is one that I selected at random.



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TomTX

10-25-2006 09:40:44




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to Fudpucker, 10-24-2006 07:41:38  
I plant sudan every year after baling oats. Always use grain drill (old JD model B) is much better than trying to broadcast. Lbs per acre depends on the variety of the sudan. I like to plant Gotcha Plus and plant 75 lbs per acre. Have also planted Sugar Queen at 65 lbs per acre. Read the label and see how many seeds per lb, germination rate, etc, then figure at least 1,000,000 seeds per acre. This will get you in the ballpark. I usally put 200 lbs per acre of 15-15-15 down and harrow in right before drilling the sudan. Tom

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jc

10-25-2006 10:39:03




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to TomTX, 10-25-2006 09:40:44  
Don't you worry about burning your crop with that high powered fertilize.



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TomTX

10-26-2006 02:21:56




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to jc, 10-25-2006 10:39:03  
Around here the bulk fertlizes available are the 15-15-15 or the 34-0-0. Wouldn't consider either of them "high powered" just the standards for this country - - North Central Texas. Sometimes the feed store has some 0-46-0 or 0-0-60, but usually just the first two above. Most folks use about 200 lbs/acre of 15-15-15 at planting time and then dress it with about 100 to 150 lbs of 34-0-0 about the end of winter if you want higher quality higher yield hay. Tom

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jiskies2

10-24-2006 20:40:36




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to Fudpucker, 10-24-2006 07:41:38  
here in the catskill valley mtns of ny, we drill oats with alfalfa, timothy, broome. didn't get too much as got it cut late in the year. do it mostly as a cover crop for the first year to hopefully keep the weeds from growing up too much.
jeff



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barnrat

10-24-2006 15:36:40




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to Fudpucker, 10-24-2006 07:41:38  
I plant 65lbs to the acre through a John Deere 8300 drill. I do about 20 acres of it I'm in Western NY state on Silt Loam soils. There is no chance around here of drying it for hay. I chop it, or make silage bales out of it or graze dairy cows on it. yield about 2-3 cuttings about 10-14 tons per acre.



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FreeRanger

10-24-2006 14:01:58




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 What do you do with Sudan grass? in reply to Fudpucker, 10-24-2006 07:41:38  
Why are you growing Sudan grass?

Do you make hay?
Do you pasture animals on it?
Is the seed cheap?

Where are you located?
Would it grow good in Southern Wisconsin on shallow rocky hillsides?



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Weldon K

10-27-2006 12:07:43




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 Re: What do you do with Sudan grass? in reply to FreeRanger, 10-24-2006 14:01:58  
If you can get the seed covered with 1/2 to 1 inch of soil and it gets some water and fertilizer the stuff will grow most anywhere.



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dairyman

10-24-2006 20:46:11




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 Re: What do you do with Sudan grass? in reply to FreeRanger, 10-24-2006 14:01:58  
the sudan grass will grow most places but you need to be careful that you do not let animals eat it in any form after there has been a frost because it will poison them with prussic acid. it is a fast growing grass and drought tolerant.



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Delbert

10-24-2006 08:31:37




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to Fudpucker, 10-24-2006 07:41:38  
Yea i plant mine with the drill i have an old mccormick model m drill with alfalfa box on it works great.



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fudpucker

10-24-2006 20:54:22




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to Delbert, 10-24-2006 08:31:37  
Thanks for the replies. I am growing it for hay and I am aware of the frost/feeding situation. It seems like I read you are not supposed to cut adn pale it or graze it during extreme drought due to the possiblilty of nitrate poisoning. I may be way wrong about that though. somebody help me out. It is next to soem fescue/clover pasture and is fenced so it could become a part of my grazing rotation if we had drought conditions. I am in western KY and we had it pretty good this summer with regard to rain compared to alot of you guys. Take care.
Fud

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Tx Jim

10-25-2006 03:59:04




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 Poisoning in reply to fudpucker, 10-24-2006 20:54:22  
Nitrate poisoning from drought in Sudan/Johnsongrass is caused when higher amounts of nitrogen are applied. Nitrogen concentration is worse in lower part of stems and can be tested for before taking crop. Nitrates never leave stored crop. Prussic acid poisoning will dissapate from hay after about a month of storage or at least that's been my experience. Tx Jim



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fudpucker

10-24-2006 20:58:17




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 Re: Sudan grass to drill or broadcast. in reply to fudpucker, 10-24-2006 20:54:22  
Free Ranger,

I don't think it would do to well on a rocky hill side. We have always jsut planted on bottom ground or rolling pasture type fields.
Got to get some sleep making to many typos.
Fud



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