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Hydraulic Valve Kit for lifting NH 479 w/Ford 600

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FreeRanger

10-17-2006 14:24:22




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I am not making myself clear in the messages below. I know I can buy one of eight different �Hydraulic Valve Kits� on this web site for my 1955 Ford 600. Prices range from $128 to $489. I know VERY little about hydraulics. So let me break down the question into simple terms.

Given: I don�t have a loader and don�t plan to add one. (broken frame piece at front of tractor needed for loader mount). I would like to raise/lower a New Holland 479 Haybine. All my other implements are 3pt or pull.

Questions:
What does �one spool tandem (4-way) mean and should I care?
Do I want a �spring center to neutral� for my application?
Should I get �relief� or is it OK to not have �relief�?
Should I get �float� or let it sink?
Which of the eight kits will best fit my needs for the least amount of money?
Are there additional parts required beyond the kit?
Why does the most expensive kit ($489.64) have the shortest description?
Kit assembly, includes 2-spool valve, valve box with handles.
Why does the cheap kit ($128) have the longest description?
Valve, hydraulic, with handle, single-spool multi-valve. No relief, tandem (4-way) spool, convertible to 3-way, spring center to neutral, with 90� rotated handle.

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FreeRanger

10-17-2006 19:30:35




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 Can a Ford 600 lift a NH 479 haybine? in reply to larry h , 10-17-2006 16:58:27  
I think I am pushing the 1955 Ford 600. I am not sure it has enough life to raise/lower heavy haybine while running condioner, rake and sicklebar. I might just have to turn off pto at the end of the row when I want to raise and lower the unit.

Still better than manually raising/lowering using a racketing toplink.

Where can I find out if the haybine is just too heavy for my tractor? Can I buy a 6volt hydraulic pump to use with a spool valve?

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Tx Jim

10-17-2006 15:09:32




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 Re: Hydraulic Valve Kit for lifting NH 479 w/Ford in reply to FreeRanger, 10-17-2006 14:24:22  
All you need to raise/lower a mo-co is a one spool valve, nothing fancy,no detents or I forgot to mention that you can get a ported plate that mounts in same place as spool valve on rockshaft housing,chain 3pt down and use your 3pt lever to raise and lower mo-co. Tx Jim



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FreeRanger

10-17-2006 19:17:33




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 Ported plate doesn't work in reply to Tx Jim, 10-17-2006 15:09:32  
Tractor came with a plugged "ported" plate. I added connectors, hose and cylinder on haybine. No lift haybine!! I check connections, hose and cylinder with nieghbor's tractor: Everything works as should. Used racketing toplink to manually raising/lowering haybine for third crop. Worked OK for alfalfa/grass hay but plugged sickle bar on thick tall orchard grass hay.

Recently purchased video on rebuilding the tractor internal hydraulics but hope to avoid that if possible since 3pt is working OK. Maybe 3pt would work better if I spend the winter rebuilding. Easier to add(purchase) spool valve which I need and see what happens.

By the way how do you "chain 3pt down" while pulling haybine with PTO running? I bent a cast iron tow bar trying hold down the 3pt. I like to see a photo of someone who has "chain 3pt down and use your 3pt lever to raise and lower mo-co"

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Fordfarmer

10-19-2006 08:26:56




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 Re: Ported plate doesn't work in reply to FreeRanger, 10-17-2006 19:17:33  
Your 600 CAN handle the mower - you don't need to stop to raise it, as the hydraulic pump runs all the time the engine runs. Ford had a kit to chain down the 3-point for using the ported plate to run remote cylinders. Chains, 1/2" thick brackets, and fine threaded U-bolts if I remember right. My Grandpa had one for his (now my) Jubilee for running the one-armed loader. The loader was sold 15+ years ago, but I think the chains and brakets are still hanging in my garage. Drop me an email if you'd be interested in them.
-Mark

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Errin OH

10-18-2006 09:51:31




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 Re: Ported plate doesn't work in reply to FreeRanger, 10-17-2006 19:17:33  
If your three point works the port works too. First what you described I refer to as poor mans hyds. The key to it is you can only use either the hyd "or" the 3pt. Not both.

Coming out of the port on the plate you need a valve, this is used to close of the port just like it had a plug in it. You could try and get by with a hyd coupler but have you ever tried to connect or disconnect one with pressure on it? Next you need to determine if you need a return. Most lift only apps don't so I assume you don't. Not needing a return run from the valve to the cyl. Next step in the operation is to chain down the the 3pt. They really mean "chain" it down (no stay brackets). Wrap a chain around the axel and up over the lift arm (not where you mount impls, arm under seat). This proceedure makes the 3 pt inoperable, period. Trying to use it and the hyd is just asking for disaster. Not even for a draw bar. Get one that comes out from under the tractors belley. Now that the 3pt in fix and not movable, you open your valve (open the path to the cyl) and raise the 3pt control like you where raising it. This pushes hyd fuild through the port to the cyl. Once the cyl reaches it end the relief in the tractor will open, leave the 3 pt control up. When ready to lower, lower the control and fuild will travel back through the port as the unit lowers. One common error is to not properly tie down the arms. Hyd fuild under pressure (holding something up) is looking for some place to go. If those arms come loose, they will raise up to the point where the bypass is triggered and what ever you have up will come crashing down.

To use the 3pt, close the valve and remove the chain. BTW don't open the valve with the 3pt up. Same thing as before, it will come down.....

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J Schwiebert

10-17-2006 14:34:31




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 Re: Hydraulic Valve Kit for lifting NH 479 w/Ford in reply to FreeRanger, 10-17-2006 14:24:22  
I got you into this in a sense. Statement about me knowing nothing about Ford still applies. Now here goes: 4-way means the valve will have 4 ports In out & 2 for the remote cylinder or a hydraulic motor. Now the word tandem gets a little funny. It does not mean the same in mobile hydraulics which you are asking about as it does in industrial hydraulics. So whoever wrote this I am wondering as in mobile you would not have a single spool tandem valve for industrial hydraulics you can so I am confused. I would get a relief. Get a simple relief and see what th range of adjustment is. Float is a fourth position. Spring center to neutral means when you raise or lower the handle and let go of it the handle will center in the "neutral position" I think I will send you an e-mail J.

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