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What implements do I need?

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JayWalt

10-16-2006 23:30:46




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Hey guys, heres what I'm doing.
I'm using my 300u with loader to make an R/C race track. What is the best way to get rid of the grass? My first idea would be a scraper, but I dont know how well that would tear up the grass. Next idea is a plow or disc, then a roller?
I'd like to keep it as simple as possible. Our soil has a high clay content if that helps any.
I went to end up with a flat dirt track with hills for jumping. Plowing/discing would be a headache, as when i got it rolled smooth enough (probly take several weeks of rolling), I know the grass will already be coming back. Cant use no chemical, as it will contaminate our well. =(

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greenbeanman in Kansas

10-22-2006 13:22:40




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
If you want bare ground, why not flame it with a weed burning torch, then do any rolling/compatcting you feel is necessary?

As to Glyphosate/Roundup compared to Rodeo, look for the primary ingredient in both. Rodeo-glyphosate.



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Jaywalt

10-17-2006 22:56:01




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
The area is 120X120, and that would be alot of roundup. aside from the cost, my father would have a fit if he found out I was using that much roundup around the well. Say what you all will, but I have done research about it and dont like what I read, so I'm not even going to consider it, altho that vinegar recipe I'm curious about for maintenance.

These are no TOYS. My Savage monster truck is 1/6th scale (after my ext chassis and offset rims), does around 55mph, 3 speed auto tranny, and can easily do double back flips, land in horrendous ways and keep coming back for more. My engine is a Picco .28, RATED (actually higher) at 3.8 HP. My truck weighs around 14lbs.
My buggy is a Hyper 7 PBS PCR with a Picco .27
The buggy does 45 easy and it is a single speed, if I went with the 2 speed (alot harder on the difs because it eliminates the center dif), and regear it, I could do 70 EASY. My onroad car does appx 60 stock.
You think these are toys? I wish I had the link for the video. One of my good friends designed and made OTB gears for the older (now defunct basically) Traxxas T-maxx. The only aluminum 2 speed gearset ever made for the tmaxx. He also designed the infinity gearset which makes it possible to gear the tranny VERY low. So low infact, he pulled an S-10 with it. Sand in the tires, and a Rowdy C-5 engine did it. I'm sure most of you still consider these toys, but oh well. I still enjpy the board and most of you guys =)

I will probably try a different drag, not quite sure what I'll do yet really. What does a scraper do? Could propbably use one for maintenance.

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John (MO)

10-18-2006 06:54:13




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to Jaywalt, 10-17-2006 22:56:01  
A 120 by 120 foot area is about 3 tenths of one acre and would require about 1 dollar and 20 cents worth of Roundup. I'm not saying you`d want to drink 1 dollar and 20 cents worth of Roundup, but it ain`t going to hurt your well water. It sure would be neat to build a little sprayer to fit the back of your truck to spray with, and then you could use it to water down the track later on. But you`d need to do that at a much slower speed.

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Charlie in NY

10-17-2006 14:04:42




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
I fly at an R/C airplane grass field (shared with full size private aircraft) and we use a flail mower followed by an occasional rolling with a large CaCl filled drum. Our model planes have anything from 2" to 8" tires and take off at 20 to 40 mph and land at the same or a little higher.

You may not want the grass but the roller would definately help.



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John (MO)

10-17-2006 09:22:03




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
Are you talking about them remote controled cars that weigh about 10 pounds or so? You aren`t going to have to compact the soil too much for them. LOL Spray Roundup, it won't hurt your well, then scrape off the surface, and make your little hills with a blade and then run over them a few times with a tractor wheel. It may need a little water to pack down enough, but you won't need to use a sheeps foot roller for toy cars.

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jmixigo

10-17-2006 06:55:17




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
Google up Duragrader. A 4' should do you. I got a 7' angle blade an that thang is amazin.



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paul

10-17-2006 06:13:38




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
Glysophate - Roundup. Don't udnerstand the well comment - you don't spray into the well. If runoff is an issue directly into your well, then you have bigger issues, and bare dirt track will give you bigger problems than the spray would.....

You want the ground firm, so if it is close to level now, you wouldn't want to tear it up & start over - long process if you do.

How big is this area going to be?

--->Paul

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Pooh Bear

10-17-2006 08:16:36




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to paul, 10-17-2006 06:13:38  
I had a question last year involving RoundUp and our well.
I just love this liquid weed eater stuff.
Haven't picked up a real weed eater in several years now.
I asked about spraying around our well house.
Cause that was a little too close for comfort.

I was told there is a similar product called Rodeo.
Made by the same company that makes RoundUp.
And it is safe for use around water.
I haven't found it yet. Still looking.

This year I got tired of looking at the weeds that
were taking over our well house so I just went
ahead and sprayed around it with RoundUp.
Hnave't had any porlbms yet form it.

If you look at the ingrediants and think about it,
RoundUp is just salt and vinegar with a cohesion agent added.
Monsanto just happened to find the best kind of
salt and proportion of vinegar and cohesion agent
to make it work really well.

You can make the stuff at home using 20% vinegar.
The vinegar you buy at the store is a 5% solution.
You can get a 20% solution at a good garden supply.
Saturate it with salt and add a bit of liquid soap.
Mix it all up good and start spraying it.
The salt and vinegar kill the weeds, and the liquid
soap makes it stick to the plants better.
It's a very old weed killing recipe.

Of course 20% vinegar cost about the same as generic
RoundUp. So you can't save money this way.
But it may make you feel better knowing just
what it is you're actually spraying on your yard.

Pooh Bear

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paul

10-17-2006 20:14:24




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to Pooh Bear, 10-17-2006 08:16:36  
What worries some in ponds & wetlands is the 'soap' part of Roundup, it is tough on aquatic creatures when applied directly to the open water. Rodeo has a different type of 'soap' in it so it is safe for aquatic wildlife, this Rodeo is for spraying on open waters.

--->Paul



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Pooh Bear

10-17-2006 23:34:11




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to paul, 10-17-2006 20:14:24  
Actually the "soap" part of RoundUp is the Phosphates.
Phosphates shouldn't be used withing 150 feet of a
water source/body. They do contaminate it.

As long as you are using phosphate free soap for
your home made RoundUp you should be fine.

Pooh Bear



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MLD

10-17-2006 06:10:59




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
I would just cut it short with lawnmower, & spray roundup where the track is going. Will take sometime to get rid of all the grass but roundup will kill it down to bare dirt.



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Dave Sherburne NY

10-17-2006 18:12:40




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to MLD, 10-17-2006 06:10:59  
The Roundup would work better if you spray before
you mow it. Injured plants are slow on the uptake.
Spray it let it set at least 3 days then mow it.



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Chad Franke

10-17-2006 05:51:17




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
I think you have a misconception about chemicals. Unless your well is open on top, and you put chemicals directly in it, you won't contaminate your well. Use glyphosate according to the directions to clear your track, it is inactive with 24 hours, and won't harm your well, even if you are spraying next to the wellhead.



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Hugh MacKay

10-17-2006 03:33:07




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 Re: What implements do I need? in reply to JayWalt, 10-16-2006 23:30:46  
Jay: I don't know much about race tracks, but I expect you want to keep it firm and hard. Tillage implements will only defeat your goal. Without chemicals your best bet is traffic.

I saw a guy this summer using a welded up grid of rebar on his horse track. He tows this behind his tractor, and the roughness of the rebar tears the grass to shreds. He had this about 10' x 10' and pulling it behind about 20 hp tractor. I watched as he did this and the rebar was dragging enough soil to fill any pot holes. It was tearing any grass to shreds as well. I though it worked as well as anything I've seen for grass control on roadways. The rebar was about 1" diameter. I expect it takes that much weight to work well.

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FreeRanger

10-17-2006 20:36:01




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 ATV traffic in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-17-2006 03:33:07  
Hugh, That's a good idea! Heck I bet you could pull just about anything behind an ATV and acheive the same results on a smaller scale.

Jay, I would be willing to bet someone you know has an ATV and would be willing to ride it around and around on your track as needed. Use the loader to build a few hills and valleys. Pulling something like a box spring or a horseowners chain drag would level out any big lumps. The last couple times around don't pull anything to let the wheels smooth out the surface. A track for one ATV could be wide enough to race several RC cars.

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