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C-tines for drag cultivator?

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Charlie In NY

10-14-2006 20:54:03




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I found a windfall in a brush pile on my land. An old drag cultivator. Amazingly, it seems to be in working order except two c-tines are snapped off and one is missing. The hand lever to adjust depth is working and it's wobbly but complete. I'd like to restore it to function behind my '56 Ford 640, but I can't find the proper tines. The local New Holland and Tractor Supply couldn't help. They are approximately 16" between the curves and have a curl at the top to grasp the 2" round cross bars. A flange fitting with a slot for the tine (1-3/4" wide tines) slides over that upper end of the tine and then a carriage bolt passes through flange, bar and tine to tighten it all in place. I need one flange and three tines. Anyone know of a source for such oddities? The cross bars are pinned to trap them in the frame with 5" cotter pins. Need two of those also, but I can improvise with a bolt or clevis pin there.

No markings that I can find. It is a rectangular frame with three cross bars having two, three and four tines respectively. The last bar has the outer two tines outside the frame. I'm pretty sure I've seen this design before and am hoping someone can point me to a tine source.

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James2

10-15-2006 19:01:14




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie In NY, 10-14-2006 20:54:03  
Glad you found your treasure. They are usually scrapped around here. It would be easier to buy a bigger complete one, and cut down to the size you need, rather than buy new parts. Unless you want this particular challenge or it has some other special significance (rare model, matches tractor etc). I bought a good IH 34 ft spring tooth for peanuts. You could cut it up and make several small units, or make one the size you want and save all the other tines and scrap the remainder. Scrap steel is still in demand. I once screwed around a little on a small cultimulcher, which someone gave to me. Found good used wheels to replace the broken ones and also some tines at a junk yard. Decided to drop the project, too much work and really didn't have any use for it, except to lend out for small projects. Instead of bringing the wheels and tines home, I sent it to the scrap yard. Bought a 24 ft IH model 315 which few are interested in borrowing.

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Gerald J.

10-15-2006 08:48:13




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie In NY, 10-14-2006 20:54:03  
Try shoup for those parts. www.shoupparts.com

Gerald J.



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Charlie in NY

10-15-2006 19:21:17




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Gerald J., 10-15-2006 08:48:13  
No luck. They have the same types as I found at New Holland and Tractor Supply. No matches.



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Nebraska Cowman

10-15-2006 06:12:44




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie In NY, 10-14-2006 20:54:03  
You can weld the tines back. Sometimes they hold quite a while. I have some new round-bar teeth but they ain't gonna match very well with your worn ones. Being short one ain't gonna be a killing matter.



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Charlie in NY

10-15-2006 19:25:12




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-15-2006 06:12:44  
Can't weld the missing sections back. No idea where they are. Probably I'll find them eventually in a tractor tire gushing CaCl. I'm short three of nine.



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Don-Wi

10-15-2006 14:16:43




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-15-2006 06:12:44  
Couple questions for ya- Do you have a source for these? We've got a newer Moridge spring tooth cultivator, 18' wide, and we haven't been able to locate some new teeth for it. We need about 10 teeth right now, and we ussualy break a couple every year. One year we got lucky and found some at the Massey dealer, but they had no idea where they came from or where to get more. Nobody in the area knows where to find any either.

2nd, ya wanna sell? How much? The old used ones like from the old IH sections are always worn too much to be of much use on our machine.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Nebraska Cowman

10-15-2006 16:19:29




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Don-Wi, 10-15-2006 14:16:43  
I think they fit my harrow too. But yeah, I'd probably sell some. Drop me an email.

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Don-Wi

10-15-2006 20:08:12




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-15-2006 16:19:29  
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Brendon

10-15-2006 02:56:35




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie In NY, 10-14-2006 20:54:03  
Our local antique tractor club has an old spring tooth harrow about 7 feet wide that is also missing a few tines. Not having any spares, I cheated a bit and moved a couple of the outer most tines inboard to fill in the gaps. It obviously cuts a narrower swath now but at least there are no skips.

Since it takes quite a while to road my tractors to the show grounds to work the ground, on several occasions I have pulled this harrow with my '61 IH Scout pickup. Works pretty well except for the wide turning radius. I figure that any vehicle available from the factory with a 3-point hitch and PTO (as the Scout was in the early days) could handle being used as a tractor now and then!

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leonard dise

10-15-2006 05:59:24




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Brendon, 10-15-2006 02:56:35  
to brenden:Do you have a 3pt. possibly a monroe like the jeep had avaiable? Please repost.CENTAUR



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Brendon

10-15-2006 17:11:29




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to leonard dise, 10-15-2006 05:59:24  
I wish I could say my Scout has a 3-point, but it doesn't. It does have a PTO to the front to run the winch but does not have the 540 rpm tail shaft that was available. I can only imagine that this was an extremely rare option, probably more rare than the Willys Jeeps that were available with this equipment.



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Leroy

10-15-2006 00:32:49




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie In NY, 10-14-2006 20:54:03  
What you have sounds like an old spring tooth harrow and it sounds like you have only part of it as they consist of a left side section and a right side section to work and the 2 sections will be about 6 ft. or 7 1/2 ft. wide depending upon model, plus any number of center sections could be added to make it as wide as is wanted. Figure out just what you do have as they cannot be used just one section at a time. And I am sure I have those teeth and holder clips. And those cotter pins should be 5/16" X 4". Oliver used a cotter on each side of frame to hold bar in place while IHC had a small casting on outside of frame that the cotter went thru on the inside of frame to hold it together. Other makes of pipe bar spring tooth harrows were similar. Other makes the teeth attached to channel iron bars but with those the runners were seperate pieces that the channel iron bars with bolts held things together. you should have a 1 piece frame per section that curves arould to make both sides plus the front and only the 1 side is the runners full length on both sides with the remaining sections the second runner is a short one that only reaches to the center bar.

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Charlie in NY

10-15-2006 19:08:28




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Leroy, 10-15-2006 00:32:49  
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Leroy,

Here are some images.

There is about 15� of adjustment on the clamps to the crossbars (probably wear elongated holes), so if the older ones are worn I may be able to accomidate the three new/longer tines. I mentioned the cotter pins because I got a kick out of the length. You can see in the attachment close-up a 5" pin in a 2" pipe leaves enough of a tail to be part of the cultivating teeth.

Rats, looks like I have to do one image at a time.

Here's the whole apparatus

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Charlie in NY

10-15-2006 19:10:54




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie in NY, 10-15-2006 19:08:28  
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Another "whole" shot



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Charlie in NY

10-15-2006 19:13:09




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie in NY, 10-15-2006 19:10:54  
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Detail of the attachment.



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James2

10-16-2006 07:27:15




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Charlie in NY, 10-15-2006 19:13:09  
This must have been a horse drawn cultivator since it is so small. I can't see how it would even cover your tractor's tire width. If you really intend to do so serious ground work, sell it to a horseman (person?) or someone wanting to play with an ATV, and get something at least as wide as your tractor.



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Charlie in NY

10-16-2006 08:23:52




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to James2, 10-16-2006 07:27:15  
Agreed. I didn't figure to make out too well trying to make the corners in my small plots without being able to lift the cultivator. I just wanted to keep an old item in the game. That and I'm cheap.

If I added up what I've spent to keep my few chickens and tend a few garden plots I'm not running on Japanese style high efficiency, anywho.



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10-15-2006 11:33:08




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 Re: C-tines for drag cultivator? in reply to Leroy, 10-15-2006 00:32:49  
If this really is a "springtooth harrow" type of cultivator, then they certainly can be used as one section at a time!!



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