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shawnspeed3

10-06-2006 09:48:40




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I am thinking about getting a small(4x4)round baler. what are some things to look for? the tractor I intend on running it with is a 730 case gas(57hp on the pto)w/2 remotes. Are thier any special electrical controls ect. I should look for? I only plan on using it for first cutting, as 2nd in squares pay's good money for horse fodder around here, 1st is cow feed.is their any advantage to looking at a bailer that can do sialge as well? any input would be appreciated, Shawn

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John A.

10-06-2006 20:00:41




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to shawnspeed3, 10-06-2006 09:48:40  
shawnspeed3, I know that this to a little OT but....I came accross an ol Case 730 LP over last weekend. Trycicle front, 3 pt hookup. straight ol tractor what would it be worth? They are asking $2300. ans need at least one new rear tire.
It has been check out by a mechanic and said all is well with it. I am mainly a Farmall man so this is out of my expertise.
Thanks,
Later,
John A.



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shawnspeed3

10-07-2006 17:41:26




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to John A., 10-06-2006 20:00:41  
John , I purchased my 730 for $1800.00 it is a little rough but it has served me well for the last7 years. it is a very robust tractor, the boys up in racine were not afraid to throw iron at their tractors. I finnaly spent some money on it last spring and overhauled the motor(Broken tach. stopped at 4658hrs), kits are not cheap , but I will probably not have to touch the major engine parts in my lifetime.many of the parts are interchangible with the 830/930 tractors.2300 is probably a fair price, but the LP models usually don't sell well around here,so I can;t really say . If it was a gasser it would be in the ballpark, disels bring a little more...Shawn

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hayray

10-06-2006 18:46:18




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to shawnspeed3, 10-06-2006 09:48:40  
I bought a NH BR 730 4x4 baler about 3 years ago. Works great and needs little hp. it was $13000. My buddy bought a Deere silage 4x4 with net wrap and slicers and it was $30,000. He also had to buy a wraper that was in the high 20's.Both balers just gobble up hay somthing fierce. The problem with my New Holland is that there are no gathering wheels available for it, makes it difficult to make a small enough windrow when I double up with my bi-fold wheel rake. Deere and Hesston have gathering wheels as an option.

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shawnspeed3

10-07-2006 17:54:11




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to hayray, 10-06-2006 18:46:18  
Thanks for the input guys, I am hoping to find one at auction this winter. Hayray , how are you even finding ground to work overthere with all them McMansions and mini estates goin' and gobblin up all the ground???I was at the Proving grounds a couple of weeks ago for a ride and drive of the new pick-up's and couldn't belive all the BIG houses and builders signs"From the low 300's/400's"....Who 's gonna be livin' in them places when the bottom falls out??? Here in lapeer co. a banker told me last week that their are 3000 homes in the county in some stage of forclosure....a sad day is coming when people find out that they have been lied to and sold down the river...Shawn

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hayray

10-08-2006 03:25:51




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to shawnspeed3, 10-07-2006 17:54:11  
I know what you mean, our economy sucks, Michigan is worst in the nation. You wouldn't believe it but I have more ground than I can work, not much competition from other guys, I probably have about 5 years left before I have to pull stakes and move and then I will probably just find some large farm or ranch and work for them and have an auction before I go.



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hayray

10-07-2006 02:19:54




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to Hay DR, 10-06-2006 20:50:32  
wished I would have known that before I bought my NH, that sounds like a lot more baler than I bought. I wouldn't mind a 5 ft. diameter when I want it and I sure wish I had gathering wheels.



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Mike in Houston

10-06-2006 14:23:01




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to shawnspeed3, 10-06-2006 09:48:40  
With 57 hp you should be able to handle any 4x4 baler. I bought a new New Holland 730 silage round baler this year and pull it with a JD 5105 (40 pto hp) and that thing feeds hay as fast as I can pull it.
As for the silage option, I looked at mine this way, I'm buying this thing new and I don't want to ever say, "I wish I would have got ... added to it when I bought it" so I got it on mine. It's really your call on the silage option. Do you plan on ever baling silage? If not, I wouldn't worry too much about it as it would probably limit the available balers if you looking for a used one.
I'm sure the other guys who visit this site will have a lot more advice for you. This site has some of the most knowledgeable guys there are with all types of experience.
Take care and happy baler hunting,
mee

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RodInNS

10-06-2006 13:58:57




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to shawnspeed3, 10-06-2006 09:48:40  
Everybody's got their favorite baler. Claas is mine. I've had a 44S for close to 20 years. Bales anything you can feed it, trees included. In some parts of the world where they bale silage, Claas is considered "the" silage baler.
With 57 hp you can run a 4x4 Claas, and bale anything you wish. However, with 57 hp you'll never see the top end of that baler's capacity. You'll be closing in on 75 HP to top that baler out.
Things to watch on them are the roller skins for rock damage and the hydraulic systems for leakage and leak down. They rely on hyd pressure to form the bale. If the cylinders or relief valves leak then the door will open before the bale hardens off. Otherwise, they are a very strong, reliable, high capacity baler. They are also fixed chamber, meaning they produce a soft core bale. Some folks get their shorts in a knot about bale density. I don't. I'll take the Claas every time.

Rod

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Kelly Campbell

10-06-2006 11:11:34




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 Re: Round baler suggestions in reply to shawnspeed3, 10-06-2006 09:48:40  
I don't know much about the silage option, however I do know that Verrmeer Balers are the way to go, very simple to opperate and maintain, I've used them with both the full electric box set-up and just a simple switch to tie the bale with (typically a box with leads comming off of the battery). Either way never a problem, with a newer Vermer you should be able to run a 504 easily with 57 hp and a 5400 rebel with out a problem.

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