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No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted

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Roger in Iowa

10-05-2006 17:41:26




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I want to plant wheat this fall into bean ground. Anyone have experience with no-til into bean stubble?

I am concerned about the amount of bean trash behind the combine that might not let wheat germinate. The trash can be two inches thick. It has been thru the combine chopper,but not spread out much.

Alternative is to lightly disk and then plant. then I may not use the no-til drill.

Beans are doing 40+. Less than 12% moisture. Testing 58.

Thanks for input.

Roger in Iowa (southeast)

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shawnspeed3

10-06-2006 09:32:40




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 17:41:26  
Just watched the neighbor combine beans on sunday and no til wheat on monday....no surface prep...load'er up and roll...also in the thumb of michigan..Shawn



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VADAVE

10-06-2006 05:11:37




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 17:41:26  
Roger I no-till wheat behind corn. There is so much cover that I use a stalk shredder and then let the ground rest about 3 weeks. The drill needs to be heavy.
Behind beans is a piece of cake. Use a heavy no-till drill like a Great Plains, UT? or Deere and go. I use the 12 foot Great Plains and it takes a 120 or 130 horse tractor to pull it. A Oliver 1855 will only pull the drill half full, a 2255 pulls it fine.

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two mile

10-06-2006 05:06:53




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 17:41:26  
Residue management is key to no-till success. Tillage sounds like your best option this year. Another factor to consider is what kind of winter annual weeds that are already there, chickweed, dandelion, etc. Without an application of Glyphosate, these can get out of hand in a hurry, and compete with your crop.



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Larry806

10-06-2006 09:20:05




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to two mile, 10-06-2006 05:06:53  
Just no till it it will be fine.
I pulled a 20ft Great Plains with my 806 for 2 years. Never had any problems just couldn't go to fast. We piy son's 1206 on it now & I have to keep telling him not to go so fast



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El Toro

10-06-2006 02:46:14




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 17:41:26  
I think it may be better to disk it under as you suggested. Hal



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davpal

10-05-2006 21:03:08




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 17:41:26  
Around here in michigan I have seen them fly it on with an airplane just before the leaves drop. When they drop they cover the wheat, it comes up, they combine it and spread the chaff out and it works very well. I think it only works when everything is reasonably dry and the combine doesn't rut it all up. I have seen it done with pretty good success. Haven't heard about it lately though.



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J Schwiebert

10-05-2006 17:50:47




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 17:41:26  
Everybody around here does no till wheat. How wide of a cutterbar do you have? We have a 2388 with a 25 foot head. We have a straw spreader behind the chopper.



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Roger in Iowa

10-05-2006 19:01:17




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to J Schwiebert, 10-05-2006 17:50:47  
I have a JD 4400 with a 12' head. The chopper only spreads the material a little wider than the main combine body.

Roger in Iowa



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Tim(nj)

10-05-2006 19:14:28




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 Re: No-til wheat into bean stubble - advice wanted in reply to Roger in Iowa, 10-05-2006 19:01:17  
I"ve no-tilled wheat through unchopped bean residue (just a straw spreader, no chopper) and it was fine. BUT the ground was dry so the coulters cut the trash cleanly. If it had been wet, there would have been major hairpinning problems. I suggest getting some aftermarket deflectors for your straw chopper so you can spread the width of the header. My neighbor got some for his 4420, think they came from Shoup.

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