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Halbert

02-18-2000 14:30:03




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How deep should you run a subsoiler? I only have about 10-12" of topsoil and sometimes I think it pushes up some of the sandy soil from below even though you can't see what's happening below the ground. I want to break up the compaction but don't want to bring up any sand. Is it better to subsoil at right angles to the direction the field will later be moldboard plowed? I am growing vegetables and am trying to eliminate standing water if a heavy rain comes later in the season. I was also thinking of using the subsoiler after the final cultivation in squash and pumpkins.

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Johnbob

02-18-2000 18:34:22




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 Re: Subsoiling in reply to Halbert, 02-18-2000 14:30:03  
Another thing that helps if your tractor has 3 point hitch is a sub soiler,go around the stump and tear off as many roots as posible,sometimes you can pull the stump with the sub soiler.



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Johnbob

02-18-2000 18:25:44




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 Re: Subsoiling in reply to Halbert, 02-18-2000 14:30:03  
Use it in the fall when it is dry it will break up the hard pan better.Run it in the direction that will drain as if you putting in tile.



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Bill From Ontario

02-18-2000 18:15:00




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 Re: Subsoiling in reply to Halbert, 02-18-2000 14:30:03  
The fall before I plan to plant, I rip the field both ways.



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Jimbo

02-18-2000 16:53:59




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 Re: Subsoiling in reply to Halbert, 02-18-2000 14:30:03  
Try running the subsoiler at a 45 degree angle to the direction that your rows will run. I would recommend that you do not run it in the middles between rows where your tractor tires will be running. It will greatly improve internal drainage into the soil profile and if you receive saturating rainfall you will find it might take longer for you to get back into the field.



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Aaron

02-18-2000 16:29:45




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 Re: Subsoiling in reply to Halbert, 02-18-2000 14:30:03  
You want to run it deep enough to get under the compaction layer and no deeper. Either get a penatrometer (expensive, might have extension person come do it), or dig a hole or 2 out in the field. Find the compaction layer and figure out how deep it is. You don't want to run it any deeper, or you might make a new compaction layer deeper than you can reach. I don't think it makes much difference as to direction, but you could go at right angles or some kind of angle. Important thing is to find the layer and just skim under it.
Aaron

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paul

02-18-2000 18:27:40




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 Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to Aaron, 02-18-2000 16:29:45  
I could use some advise, just for my own satisfaction. :)

Wouldn't pulling up a little sand ease any future compaction problems? I'm not familiar with sandy soils compacting.

--->Paul



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Aaron

02-18-2000 20:09:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to paul, 02-18-2000 18:27:40  
True, you might reduce the compaction a little. However, sandy soils tend to not hold nutrients or water nearly as well, and thusly, yields of whatever you are growing (aside from some melon crops and some other plants that like lighter soils) will yield less and be less desirable. The big issue is if you rip as deep as you can, sandy soils or not, you have bigger problems. A hard pan will form under any tillage practice, and if it forms under your deepest method, then what? Thats the trick. Go just deep enough to get it. But, you are right that sandy soils compact less, with the trade off that they tend to not grow the best crops.
Aaron

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paul

02-19-2000 10:10:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to Aaron, 02-18-2000 20:09:46  
I agree sandy soils don't hold water & nutrients as well. I guess I figured if he is worried about standing water later in the year, a bit of sand pulled up would let the water drain away into the sand layer, without affecting the topsoil very much. Since sand doesn't compact, it wouldn't cause a deeper hardpan.

But I've never ripped anything, so I'm just talking out loud I hope you understand. :)

--->Paul

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Tim(nj)

02-18-2000 20:15:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to Aaron, 02-18-2000 20:09:46  
Didn't I read somewhere that in California, before planting Apricot groves in delta soil, they use big Cats to pull single rippers up to 7 FEET deep? That's the deepest I've heard of anybody going.



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highboyford wow

02-18-2000 20:30:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to Tim(nj), 02-18-2000 20:15:09  
What a haul wonder if it has a shear pin or autoresets?Ran a little four shank paraplow was all a 7080 allis wanted(also let me study the moon)did rip at angles though.



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Allis no wonder

02-19-2000 04:56:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to highboyford wow, 02-18-2000 20:30:16  
Get a real tractor



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Highboyford hey now

02-19-2000 19:16:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiling in reply to Allis no wonder, 02-19-2000 04:56:58  
Tractor wasnt mine,was just helping out a friend tractor did pull 200 hp at the deere dealerships dyno though.Was ok over all if you could get by the cable shift,had real cold air I mean so cold you got a shiver down your spine and had to turn it down.



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