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ground driven mower/sickle bar

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KC Zippel

09-24-2006 06:47:20




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Hi all, is there such a thing as a 'ground driven' mower, something for rough cutting, not finish. I know there are sickle bars that will do the job, but the way they are setup, they mow in the lane next to the tractor, not the same lane as the tractor. I am looking for something ground driven that can mow tall grass in the same lane as the tractor. It's for seasonally mowing perimeter trails around a floodplain, so no thick brush, just tall grass. thanks

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paul

09-24-2006 23:32:16




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
Well, I'd think it would be easier to put a pto on your tractor & run a small 4' bush hog with that.

Ground drive sickles are not fun to start with, & you would need it out front so there are no wheel tracks - then would be best to have rear wheel steer - sickles don't take much side to side motion (steering the tractor) - or mount it on the back & drive in reverse. You'd have to take an old ground driven, chop it up & get it mounted in front of your tractor, with linkage to drive it off a wheel - could be a idler wheel just for that purpose but would need to transfer, what, 5-10 hp depending on bar length & speed?

How much hp does your tractor generate? Driving the sickle will take some pull.

Hope you don't plug into the regular grid, or it all seems pointless - the grid makes plenty of pollution, & is not very efficient. One of my pet peeves, those who promote 'pollution free' but are only plugging into the conventional wall.... Off my soapbox now. :) Sounds like an interesting project.

--->Paul

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in sticks

09-24-2006 18:35:20




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
i did see on another site a sickle mower that was made with sickle in front.you pushed mower like old type reel mowers for the lawn.looked like you needed HULK to do the pushin though.this is a machine from the 20/30s .



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jmixigo

09-24-2006 11:10:15




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
What about adapting a rough cut mower designed to use behind a four wheeler? Remove the gas engine, adapt an electric DC motor, add batteries, then adapt a ground drive generator to lengthen battery service if needed. If you go with straight ground drive it will have to be HEAVY to generate enough power for a rotary mower.
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Gerald J.

09-24-2006 10:57:08




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
I have a ground driven oat windrower. In weeds and thick oats its useless because the sickle is too slow for the forward motion and with a bit dull ledger plates and sickle sections it plugs.

Windrowers, side mounted sickle mowers, and pull behind sickle mowers all cut to the side of the tractor path because when the crop is run over by the tractor there's nothing in the sickle to pick it back up and lots of it stands up in a few days to make the mowing look needed again. There's suction in the rotary mower with tilted blade ends to lift the smashed grass back up.

When avoiding petroleum fuel, it might be good to use corn and beef fuel and get a gaggle of teens to run hand sickles or sythes (like the grim reaper is often pictured carrying). A good sythe properly sharpened (its worth carrying an oval stone in your back pocket) slices, doesn't chop and builds muscle and character. Try not to use those with a steel snath, that steel is a lot heavier than a wooden snath. For weeds go for a short blade, not the long blade use for mowing grain crops.

Gerald J.

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Glen in TX

09-24-2006 10:25:14




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
Someone had pics of ground drive shredders they had made once in Farm Show magazine. I think they used old truck rear ends?



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Butcher

09-24-2006 09:01:10




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
I found a posting on another site similar to yours. Afellow there says he has built them before.



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Butcher

09-24-2006 08:22:21




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
Just wondering why the need for ground drive only?



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KC Zippel

09-24-2006 08:36:17




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to Butcher, 09-24-2006 08:22:21  
It's to match an electric tractor for a 'no fossil fuel' application. thanks



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Butcher

09-24-2006 08:50:01




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 08:36:17  
I would think that with alittle imagination, alot of fabricating and alittle money a guy could reconfig a ground driven sickle mower so the blade was oriented the way you want.



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Nebraska Cowman

09-24-2006 06:54:01




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 06:47:20  
How would something like this work?

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KC Zippel

09-24-2006 07:20:51




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-24-2006 06:54:01  
Thanks! I like the orientation, with the bar front and center, but that looks fuel-powered, not ground powered. I need something like this Link but for rough cut, not finish. To be rough, it is probably going to have to be a bar, like the one you show, instead of rotary like in my link. But I'll have to figure how to reconfigure it for ground power. cheers

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Nebraska Cowman

09-24-2006 11:18:59




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 07:20:51  
Ground power? How does that work? Are you just running downhill so gravity will provide the forward motion? You mentioned electric power. You gonna charge the batterys off the grid that gets it's power from a coal-fired plant? So what's the big deal anyway? If you want to be energy independant get a sickle and cut the grass by hand. After all, any machine you buy is going to built in a factory that uses fossil fuels by employees that drive cars, live in heated homes, watch TV, and eat meat.

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TomH in PA

09-24-2006 07:41:37




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 07:20:51  
Gang mowers don't do well in tall grass. And I doubt a ground driven mower of any kind would be a good choice.

I'd say what you want is a rotary mower like a Bush Hog.



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KC Zippel

09-24-2006 07:48:16




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to TomH in PA, 09-24-2006 07:41:37  
Thanks Tom. well certainly my ground driven sickle bar handles tall grass just fine, but it is not oriented front and center. And yes a brush hog would do the job well, but it is not ground driven. You see my challenge?



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TomH in PA

09-24-2006 10:17:52




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 Re: ground driven mower/sickle bar in reply to KC Zippel, 09-24-2006 07:48:16  
I still don't see the importance of ground driven. If you're using electricity you're using a power supply. If you drive the mower from the ground, the forward motion comes from a motor so the mower is all electric either way.

But to each his own I guess. Sickle would be the only way to go, I suppose you could modify one to put the bar in front rather than to the side. I assume you have some kind of off-the-grid-generator.

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