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IaGary

08-28-2006 19:22:47




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Why don't they put coulters on all the bottoms on the spinner plows.(or roll over plows or whay ever they are called.

Wouldn't they pull easier with the furrow cut ahead of the bottom.

Just wondering Gary




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Allan In NE

08-29-2006 03:24:48




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to IaGary, 08-28-2006 19:22:47  
Mornin' Ol' Bud,

Billy hit 'er right square on the head. You can certainly buy the coulters for all the bottoms, but most guys don't use any at all.

On 18" bottoms and larger, they are more or less a mute deal anyway because trash clearance is just not a problem. The only advantage would be the wear savings on the shins, but that would still be offset by all the weight/cost of extra coulters, shanks, clamps, etc.

Allan

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IaGary

08-29-2006 03:33:47




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to Allan In NE, 08-29-2006 03:24:48  
Mornin Allan

You talk about a Massey 5 bottom on land spinner.

Don't believe I've ever seen an on land spinner.

Are they very common?

Gary



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Allan In NE

08-29-2006 04:16:58




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to IaGary, 08-29-2006 03:33:47  
I would guess this is another one of those "irrigated" things. 5 to 7 bottom spinners are all over the place out here in the west.

I'd just like to get the tractor out of the furrow and dual 'er up. The darned Masseys pull so easy, they allow capacity fer another bottom for any given size plow. It's really amazing just how easy they do pull; it's like night and day.

A 140 horse tractor can just play with a 5-bottom and actually put the thing down in the ground where it belongs too. :>)

Allan

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billyiron

08-28-2006 23:26:11




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to IaGary, 08-28-2006 19:22:47  
Dad had a john deere 5-18 roll-over,and the trash it would swallow was unreal,and it had no coulters,used to plow in 175 bu + cornstalk stubble with no problems,,the one coulter on the last bottom was to give a more square dead furrow for tractor wheel,,,billy



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paul

08-28-2006 22:59:45




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to IaGary, 08-28-2006 19:22:47  
I remember years ago when I was little, the JD show had a filmstrip on those roll over plows. What an odd thing! I think I may have seen a total of 1 of those things in person. Sure look like a lot of metal to be lugging around, & to buy in the first place. Couldn't clear any cornstalks without coulters either.

--->Paul



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WyoDave

08-29-2006 05:09:48




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to paul, 08-28-2006 22:59:45  
Its a regional thing. I was born just a stones throw from Allan and I'm just a young pup, but untill I started looking around more closely the only plow I'd ever been around was a spinner. Almost all farm ground around here is still plowed and I've never seen anything but a spinner doing it. Most people use a 7 bottom on land plow to do it. No dead furrows, they don't plug in anything, and leave a perfectly smooth field. Why would anyone want to use a trailer type plow? But thats just my take on the matter.
David

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nballen

08-29-2006 07:44:51




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 Since Allan likes plowing so much... in reply to WyoDave, 08-29-2006 05:09:48  
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nballen

08-29-2006 08:15:57




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 Re: Since Allan likes plowing so much... in reply to nballen, 08-29-2006 07:44:51  
Out here in Southwest Idaho, some of the row-crop farmers (high cash flow) are using a "reversible plow - like those pictured here. It cuts down on the number of bottoms to maintain, but I don't have any idea on the cycle time at the end of the row.

Cool new stuff (in the last 10 years)!

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Allan In NE

08-29-2006 07:59:08




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 Re: Since Allan likes plowing so much... in reply to nballen, 08-29-2006 07:44:51  
Yep,

That feller needs a spinner and a rotary hoe! :>)

Allan



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Allan In NE

08-29-2006 04:01:58




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to paul, 08-28-2006 22:59:45  
Mornin' Paul,

It really depends where you are standing.

Flood irrigation is just a totally different bird when it comes to methods used and to us old irrigated guys, those "half-plows" are really the "odd looking" ones. I just can't imagine plowing in a circle and leaving all those silly dead furrows. :>)

Yes, ya certainly know they are back there as far as the weight is concerned, but just for instance, this joker isn't nearly as heavy as my 7' rotary mower or 6-row-30" 3-point cultivator. They just give the appearance and "look" heavy.

Also, and just so I'm battin' a thousand here, gotta disagree on the cornstalks thing too. Experience has shown that plows just simply work better for trash clearance if ya just yank those coulters and throw 'em behind the tool shed to get 'em out of the way.

Now, spinners do have their disadvantages too.

Ya always gotta remember to "flip" the silly things at the end of the field because if ya don't, they'll drop 3' in the ground before ya even know what's going on and we're right back to and shackeled with that darned dead furrow that'll take 5 years to farm out. :>(

Just a view from my end of the field. :>)

Allan

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onefarmer

08-29-2006 11:39:52




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to Allan In NE, 08-29-2006 04:01:58  
I was plowing sod last week and two of the coulters came loose so I just removed them. Guess which ones kept plugging! 30yrs ago my dad tried going without thinking he could save some hp. Stalks kept plugging it. So they are needed at least here in Mich. I would like to try a spinner. Like the idea of no dead furrows and no traveling on the headland. Can't say I've seen one around here though.



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jhill52

08-30-2006 05:35:08




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to onefarmer, 08-29-2006 11:39:52  
We have lots of those rollover plows here in the Thumb of Mi. COurse it's about as flat here as at Allens place



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onefarmer

08-30-2006 19:20:47




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to jhill52, 08-30-2006 05:35:08  
Guess I'll have to come over there and look around. I'm in the St. Johns area



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Allan In NE

08-29-2006 15:37:02




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to onefarmer, 08-29-2006 11:39:52  
Say ol' Friend,

This one can be yours fer somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 and I'll dicker. I wants me a Massey 5-bottom on-land spinner. :>)

Allan

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MN Bob

08-30-2006 14:02:28




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to Allan In NE, 08-29-2006 15:37:02  
Well Allan, you could sell that in a heart beat if you was to give a good price on the tractor too. I was going that way in November anyway, could just drop the trailer off on the way to CO. and pick the whole thing up coming back. Dont know though, I need a reset for BIG rocks! Still, The land north of here is not rocky and I know where I might pick up a few acres. Bob



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Allan In NE

08-31-2006 01:15:02




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to MN Bob, 08-30-2006 14:02:28  
Hi Bob,

I don't even know what you guys are talking about when you say "rocks". The closest rocky ground I've ever seen was up in North Dakota. Pretty sure those original settlers thought they had landed right back in Norway. :>)

This plow originally came from over in Wyoming in the sand. It is a darned good plow, but is in need of lathes, boards, shins and landsides. That sand over there cuts 'em up like a torch.

Betcha I can just go buy another plow for the price of repairs alone. :>)

Allan

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onefarmer

08-29-2006 19:35:52




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to Allan In NE, 08-29-2006 15:37:02  
And I'd be right there if I was a few states closer and maybe a bit small. If I remember right yours is a 4-18s. I have been pulling 5-16s and it is small enough. Got it behind a 4430JD.

I don't get on and talk much but love the here yer tales



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paul

08-29-2006 10:06:52




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to Allan In NE, 08-29-2006 04:01:58  
> Experience has shown that plows just simply work better for trash clearance if ya just yank those coulters and throw 'em behind the tool shed to get 'em out of the way.

Not in a high-dewpoint climate. :) You just create an old-fashioned horse rake without big new large coulters on.

Last year I had 80+ mph microburst on the farm, north-south corn fieds were so bad even after chopping the stalks the plow still wanted to plug up.


Yup, I understand about the regional thing. I don't have a flat place on my whole farm to change headers on the combine. All top of river valley bumps. A dead furrow is a non-issue, don't even notice it in the big picture. :)

Do you run into problems with the govt with all plowing? Getting kinda pushy about that of late. Ripping (chisel, DMI, coulter/ shank rigs, zone tillage) has picked up around here.

--->Paul

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onefarmer

08-28-2006 20:14:05




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 Re: Spinner plow Question in reply to IaGary, 08-28-2006 19:22:47  
What about cutting the trash so it doesn't plug up? May not need them out there in dryland, but here in Mich would need em in cornstalks and wheat stubble with straw still there. Not that there are any roll overs up here.



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