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Timing a square baler

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OliverGene

08-21-2006 14:06:27




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I have an Oliver 50 squarebaler that jumps out of time, shearing the pin when the ram hits the needle guards. I time it in by removing the chain on the knotters and putting the knotters into the "home" position. I then turn the flywheel ccw until the ram goes forward through it's cycle and is just starting back toward the tractor. I then trip the knotter and rotate it by hand, making sure the needles clear the ram. It works ok for a few bales and then shears the pin again. What am I missing? What position should the sprocket dog be in when the knotters are in the home position?

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Bob

08-21-2006 22:05:32




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 Re: Timing a square baler in reply to OliverGene, 08-21-2006 14:06:27  
If it's "jumping time", replace all chain(s) involved in the timed knotter drive.

Likely, they are worn and /or stretched, causing them to "jump".



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RodInNS

08-21-2006 21:10:09




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 Re: Timing a square baler in reply to OliverGene, 08-21-2006 14:06:27  
Hmmm. Mabey I shouldn't say anything about this, cause I don't know the baler.... but nobody else has yet.
First thing I would do, if I could, was get an operators manual. I know that may not be so easy either, but would be a tremendous help.
Otherwise, I'll just offer some general info. I timed a CaseIH/Hesston last week, so it's still fairly fresh.

The basic idea is that the plunger protects the needles as they start the tie cycle. So, you trip the clutch to start the cycle. The plunger starts back. Now as the needles start up, when the TIPS come flush with the bottom of the plunger, the TIPS of needles should be forward of the plunger face (inside the plunger slots), probably 1"-2.5" (this is a specific value, depending on the baler). As the plunger reaches the end of it's stroke, the needles should be at or near the end of their stroke. The important point is that the needles are not entering the chamber while the plunger is still pushing hay back. I think if it's set up like that, and the drive chains and sprockets are in good shape, it should keep it's time. If it doesn't, then you need to go through the knotters and look for worn/loose/broken parts in the drive.

I would expect, from what you describe, that the needles are late returning home, and the plunger is hitting the plunger stop, which was what the CaseIH I reset was doing. Only thing was, that plunger stop was worn and out of adjustment. Why it still had needles is beyond me....

Just be sure to trip the knotters, and have a helper cycle the baler through by hand at the flywheel before you put hay in it, and check that the thing looks right and makes sense. If the plunger is any distance into it's next stroke before the needles get home, you're going to have broken needles. Again, this should be taken as general info, and certainly not over explicit instructions in the operators manual. Good luck.

Rod

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richard in nz

08-22-2006 01:09:45




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 Re: Timing a square baler in reply to RodInNS, 08-21-2006 21:10:09  
Time the baler as Rod says, you wont go far wrong with any conventional baler like that. From your symptoms check the needle brake i.e. are the needles bouncing back in the chamber, and check the knotter clutch is disengaging correctly. If they are tensioned correctly the drive chains should not jump. As you dont complain of the feeders coming out of time your problem must only be knotter related

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GeneOliver

08-22-2006 06:33:01




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 Re: Timing a square baler in reply to richard in nz, 08-22-2006 01:09:45  
Thanks, Richard, Rob, and Bob,

I have it timed like you said, Bob, and I marked the chains and sprockets. They all come back to the same mark. As Richard suggested, the Brake may be the culprit. I have some fairly rough ground, in spots, and since I posted this request,I've found a stretched spring on the knotter trip bar, too. I have the original manual and it tells me "make sure it's in time". Big help, huh? (When I hit a rough piece of ground, I was getting a "short bale". ) I'm still not sure where to set my clutch trip. As you know, there's a lot of travel there from the time the needles trip and the knotter's begin. I'll try and manually set it by tripping it and waiting until I see the needles coming up, and then rotate the clutch to engage the dogs on the knotter..Theoretically, I can see the need for the needles to be at the top of their travel with the string in the notch before the knotters begin to turn. Maybe I'm making it more difficult than I should. I don't suppose there's any "hidden" timing marks I need to be aware of, is there?

Thanks again for all your help..(it ain't wasted!) Gene

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richard in nz

08-22-2006 23:18:09




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 Re: Timing a square baler in reply to GeneOliver, 08-22-2006 06:33:01  
Had a very similar problem to yours with a New Holland 940 when I lived in England. Turned out to be a pivot in the knotter clutch had worked loose and tilted over, I lined it up and welded it back in place and got him going, unfortonatly (for him) his ram stop had siezed up over winter and I also had to fit a new set of needles as well.



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