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New Holland bale wagons? Educate me?

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Luke S

08-16-2006 07:44:00




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I am really thinking about getting one of these NH pull type bale wagons. I have some fields that are a little small, I have some real big fields too, are thses things a nightmare to manuver in smaller fields? I run a real old JD 24t baler. It makes a good bale and never mises a tie, but will the bales from my 24t work with one of these things or am I just asking for a mess? What models have the single bale unload feature? I'd definetly need that as currently I don't have any sheds or barns tall enough to accomadate backing a bale wagon into and dumping. But if I could just get them picked up and to the shed, and use the single bale unload feature that would make a world of difference. Even if I couldn't find one I guess I could just dump the load close as I could and pull them off the pile to feed the elevator or to throw them into the barn on my ground level storage? Got a good buddy of mine who has two of the 56 bale(?) model. He bought a real nice looking one and gave $3500. He then found one an old man wanted to get rid of as he had quit haying and only gave $350 for it although it was pretty rusty. He said if he runs one and his brother the other the old rusty one can beat the nicer looking one across the field!

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Oldmax

08-21-2006 05:48:12




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 07:44:00  
Just asking a question why couldn't you unload outside on a skid then use a set of forks to move hay inside Hay barn . My brother-n-law in Missouri has bail wagon and his hay barn has a 16 ft ceiling to accomidate bail wagon ,building is 40'/80'/16' with a 16' equpment shed on each side realy nice .



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Seth_ia

08-16-2006 17:51:38




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 07:44:00  
I've got a 1010 which holds 56 bales and single bale unloads. Not a bad unit, compared to racking hay. Have not used it alot as a bought a big square baler shortly after I got it. I hate to admit it, but it's kind of fun to run once you get on to it. I've picked up bales as fast as 4th gear in a Farmall Super M. I have only ever used it on small feilds where I could justify a crew. Biggest feild I ever used it on is 6 acres. I'm asking $1800 for it and its in pretty good shape.

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Luke S

08-17-2006 06:12:07




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Seth_ia, 08-16-2006 17:51:38  
Where you at in Iowa? I am in east central missouri.



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Seth_ia

08-18-2006 20:24:58




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-17-2006 06:12:07  
I'm in the dead center of the state. Its about 3 hours to the missouri border.



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WyoDave

08-16-2006 12:00:46




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 07:44:00  
Pull types get around fine in small filds. I have a a 1037 and no problems. Now I use a big self propelled one and I imagine it'd be a nightmare in small fields. As long as your bales are firm, weight doesn't really matter. I stack a lot of 36" 50lb bales for horse owners that are women and don't want them heavier and have no problems. I also stack heavy 85lb bales that will be used in long distance hauling with no problems. Once you get the balewagon adjusted you should have no problems. I can often stack several loads in a row without ever getting out of the cab. Its adjustment that is the key.
David

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Luke S

08-16-2006 12:05:41




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to WyoDave, 08-16-2006 12:00:46  
I'd say my average bale is 34"-36" and weighs 45-50lbs.?



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WyoDave

08-16-2006 12:08:05




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 12:05:41  
How firm are they? When you pick them up by the twine, do they sag in the middle? When you stack them do you see the bottom bales squishing or becoming distorted? If that is happening, you'll have trouble, but if not, I would think it'd work alright.
David



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Luke S

08-16-2006 12:33:19




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to WyoDave, 08-16-2006 12:08:05  
They are not that firm, but I think that is partly my fault as I had a bunch of 16,000 twine and as I had never baled squares until this season, only rounds, and I didn't know you really should use 9,000 twine. I know that now. In turn, I was afraid that if I made them too tight the twine would break, and I did break about 10 bales. And I didn't have my tensioners on the bale chute cranked that hard as I did not want to break a shear bolt. I feel with 9,000 twine and tightening my tensioners I could make a much better bale?

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WyoDave

08-16-2006 12:39:04




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 12:33:19  
Yeah, I can't imagine 16,000 making very good bales. I would think that 24t should be able to make a plenty good enough bale to stack with a bale wagon. Get some different twine in it, and the tension adjusted and I really can't imagine it won't work.
David



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Luke S

08-16-2006 12:46:04




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to WyoDave, 08-16-2006 12:39:04  
Ya, that was my own stupidty. I had never run a square baler in my life. Made a lot of round bales, and I use 16,000 twine for that, so I say's to myself, why not use the same for both? I found out why! I got one field I may get a third cutting off of and I'll crank down the tension and put some 9,000 string in and see what happens?



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Cliff Neubauer

08-16-2006 11:01:33




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 07:44:00  
We have a 1034 (105 bale capacity with single bale unload and the tie feature) that we bought new but hasn't been used in about 15 years. We dug our's out of the shed yesterday to start working on it and after you spend some time reading through the manual they aren't as complicated as they seem at first. If you are looking for one I would try to find one that's in the field so you can see it run before writing a check for it and also so you can buy one from somebody who has used it and not just a salesman. There are alot of adjustments on them that need to be set right, it's not a hard job but a person should spend a couple of hours before each season making sure everything is set to the book before taking it to the field.

They do need good solid, even bales to work right but I think a 24t should do just fine.

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Luke S

08-16-2006 11:50:01




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 08-16-2006 11:01:33  
That seems to be the biggest question, wether or not my 24t can make a good enough bale? The bale wagon idea is more appealing to me than the basket, because the basket you'd have to at least have two of them if not three to keep one behind the baler all the time. Then I'd have to get somebody to drag em back and forth to the barn. I like the idea of pulling into a field with the baler and baling the whole darn thing without stoping. Then getting on the other tractor all ready hooked to the bale wagon and just letting one or two helpers stand at the barn or elevator and stack while I bring them piles off hay. Lot easier on them and faster too.

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Luke S

08-16-2006 11:52:33




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 11:50:01  
By the way, if things go right I plan on replacing the 24t with something more modern after next season. So I'd only have to get through one season with the tired old 24t, although I can't talk bad about it as it has not needed repair or missed a not since I've owned it, I'll probably keep it as a backup.



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Errin OH

08-16-2006 10:37:53




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 07:44:00  
First the baler must make tight, I mean tight bales. A fella I custom for makes 36" 85 lb bale. The pick up is the reason for tight. Also when you drop a bale out of the baler it needs a quarter turn to hit the pickup on the wagon right.

See there as well
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paul

08-16-2006 09:31:28




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 Re: New Holland bale wagons? Educate me? in reply to Luke S, 08-16-2006 07:44:00  
Another option is a bale basket - triangle shaped trailer that the baler pushes the bales up a chute & into the basket. Can find them for $800 - 2000, no moving parts or hyd to fiddle with, different bale sizes don't matter.

--->Paul



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