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What's Average petaining to hay crop ?

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Randy as in Ran

08-13-2006 09:59:57




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Hi All , All my manuals and books include the word " average " pertaining to hay crop conditions for setting up a machine , in this case my IH 990 . What IS that ? Someone posted this spring of 4 foot clover , that's obviously not average . My grass/alfalfa mix for the second cutting was about 28" , my " average " is about 14-16" . The reason I'm asking is I'm trying to set my 990 for my condition's but I don't have the experience of very many past crops to do so . My reel leaves a layer of grass leaves up to the roll's about 1/2" thick but I have the reel set to the manuals specs for " average " conditions . If I lower it and move it back some it looks like it will hit the guards and the roll's ( right now one tine just touches a clip nut ) . If I turn the cam I can change the way the tines sweep the deck but that's where I get lost . What combination am I looking for ? I have about 2 acres of grass/alfalfa mix with 4 acres of just grass . With only 6 acres it would take years to try all the combinations . Or a week to cut the 6 acres . I'm kidding about the time frame . Any suggestions ? Or does the 1/2" of grass on the deck sound right for a straight grass crop ? Second question is the hay doesn't come out of the rolls smoothly , it sort of squirts out as the reel passes . Is it ground speed or reel speed or are more bats needed ( It has 4 ) ? I mow about 3-4 mph . The book say's 5 mph is ideal for ( you know what ) conditions and can go up to about 7 mph . " Average " conditions I assume means straight alfalfa . Grass seems harder to cut so I've slowed down some in the grass . So basicly I'm kind of lost as to what to do . I'm not worried about it , just wonder if it sounds right ? So... Any suggestions short of buying a newer moco or drum mower ? Thanks ...Randy

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jossette

08-13-2006 14:57:39




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 08-13-2006 09:59:57  
every year and every cutting is going to different. A little dry to a little wet. A little thin to a little thick. A good sharp knife and guards will cut anything at 4-5 mph if the conditions are average?? the dryer you cut it, the faster you will go. Just like mowing your lawn wet and dry, same results. If you have an average lawn..... ..... ..



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Randy as in Randy-IA

08-13-2006 19:05:31




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to jossette, 08-13-2006 14:57:39  
Hi , You mow your lawn??? Not me I hate mowing lawns . If my wife doesn't do it it doesn't get done very often . Anyway , I was more refering to the manual stating that all adjustments are for "average " conditions . That's a very subjective generalization isn't it ? In the same year on the same day on fields side by side with the same crop they MIGHT be the same pertaining to cutting but I doubt it . My field is different from one end to the other all the time and it's only 1500' + long . In order to know " average " I'd have to have been farming for a lifetime . But the manual seems to assume that everyone knows what average is . And it doesn't give any clues as to which way to move things for anything that's not average . It tells how to change the cam for early release of the hay into the rolls or late release but that's about it . Oh reel speed can be changed too. Other than that I guess it's trial and error . Thanks ! Take care ...Randy

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jossette

08-13-2006 19:43:44




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 08-13-2006 19:05:31  
I believe they put that word in there because there is no perfect way of doing it. It is up to the operator to find "their " sweet spot and run with it. My sugestion, throw the manuel in a corner and get it to where you are happy with it and run with that. Everyone is "average" in that way.

although, I bought a MF#10 baler from the neighbor for $50 because he said it was shot and wouldn't make heavy bales. Read the "manuel" and did some adjustments and she pumps out 65 lb. ditch bales. He wishes he had it back now.

and yes, every blade of grass is cut by me, Moma's to lazy to do it and the kids are just not big enough yet.

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MidMiGene

08-13-2006 14:23:05




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 08-13-2006 09:59:57  
I can't answer directly about your 990, but I have an 1190 with nine foot cut. I also cut around 5 MPH. My unit does tend to have some residual (alfafa and grass) laying on the floor behind the sickle, all the time. My opinion is, if you can cut grass at 4 to 5 MPH, your machine is working well. Hope this helps. Gene



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Randy as in Randy-IA

08-13-2006 19:19:52




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to MidMiGene, 08-13-2006 14:23:05  
Hi Gene , How do you like the 1190 ? It's the newer version of mine I guess . Do the rolls separate like the 990 when it's lifted ? I don't know if it's true but I have been told that the 1190 wasn't as reliable as the 990 . I think anything is reliable with the proper use and maintanence . So the grass on the deck is something that's there to stay I guess . The horses get a little fresh snack when I clean it off after cutting . We have the mare and her foal in a dry lot and they only get hay and feed . No pasture for them this year . I still have to get a post hole digger to build the fence . Thanks ! Take care ...Randy

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MidMiGene

08-14-2006 20:35:48




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 08-13-2006 19:19:52  
Randy, I really like the 1190 that I have. Yes, it is designed to open the rolls when lifted. However, it like to jump time on the rolls once in a while, so I disconnected to chains, so the rolls can't open. Solved that problem. The other problem that I have noticed is, the idler sprocket on the left side , is basically attached with a bolt welded on a lightweight bracket that likes to bend. Some reinforcing steel and a welder solved that problem. I have had it 3 years now, and cut somewhere around 500 to 600 acres with it. I paid $3,000 for it. Was a trade-in at a dealer. Original owner took very good care of it, and it was stored inside. Paint is still fair to good on it. I would buy another one if I could. Gene

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Don-Wi

08-13-2006 21:06:54




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 Re: What's Average petaining to hay crop ? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 08-13-2006 19:19:52  
I think that's pretty average...

The litle bit of hay on in the machine is fine, as long as it's not constantly going over the reel in short stuff. Our 9' New Idea 290 does that sometimes, but it's basically just a swamp cutter now because we've got a slightly newer 14' hydra-swing machine now for the alfalfa.

I actually just used the 290 today in a swamp after replacing about 9-10 guards that were bent or busted. I put on some used ones and bought 7 new ones, only to have 1 of the new ones not work because the sickle slot wasn't deep enough to let the section move. It would bottom out and wedge tight... Then I found 3 more guards that were damaged but I only had 2 more good used ones so I just had to use the best of the worse. Got it together though.

Overall it still works great but we stumbled upon the other machine this spring and it was a great deal.

I should go look at our parts machine and see how the reel was set on that one, because it used to run pretty good... before the frame ripped in half... in the same swamp I cut today...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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