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Bale Wrappers and Balage

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barnrat

08-08-2006 11:46:26




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I'm thinking about switching to balage. My tower silos are getting old and tired. I've always done about 100 bales of balage using my neighbors wrapper. Baling all my silage would mean about 600-800 silage bales. I want to know what kind of wrapper to get? Either tube type or a self loading trailed unit? Any other opinions on baleage vs. chopping silage?




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joe ill.

01-15-2007 18:03:27




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to barnrat, 08-08-2006 11:46:26  
i have a farmlund bale wraper. it mounts up on the 3 point. i like it. cost new 2005 $7500. very fast very eficient. 4x4 bales or 4.5x4.5 max.



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Blue Buddy

08-09-2006 16:18:54




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to barnrat, 08-08-2006 11:46:26  
everyone has good ideas, but it really depends on what your planning to do at your place, if your going to sell hay, individual is best, if you have the space, a tubeline style is cheaper to run, but the bales are stuck in a long line outside, around here we see a lot of tube, with some wrapped, just a couple thoughts for ya here

individual wrapped medium squares eat up a lot of plastic, and lots of it to burn or get rid of later, make em the right length and stack 2 high across the tuber, and tube em, uses a lot less wrap, tubers use less wrap cause yer not wrapping the bale ends each time if yer gonna move individual wrapped bales, you will need a squeeze to carry em to avoid poking holes in the wrap, and yer gonna have to move em sooner or later a hole in a tube will likely damage about 1 to 3 bales, depending on how long it is till you get to that spot in the tube as for easier to get holes in, that is all dependant on how much wrap ya put on each bale with either option, and is totally up to you, wrap quality also has a big affect, as does kids and animals playing on them, or blowing snow and rocks on them

this is what we see a lot of around here www.tubeline.ca

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Iowa Jim

08-08-2006 14:30:11




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to barnrat, 08-08-2006 11:46:26  
What thype of inoculant have you been using for your silage? I would definitely be using an inoculant on the balage to help maintain the quailty of the forage.

Jim



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RodInNS

08-08-2006 14:23:23




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to barnrat, 08-08-2006 11:46:26  
I always found the Kverneland wrapper to be convienent. You can stack the bales up 2 or 3 high on end. It's easy to move the stuff too, if you decide to sell some extra. You could also consider a self contained yard type that doesn't have a loader. You just drop a bale on the table, it wraps automatically while you get another bale, and then it kisks the bale off, and moves itself ahead. You never leave your loader. That would be good if you are hauling all your bales to a yard.
I've never used the tube type wrappers, but they do use less plastic. That's pretty straight forward. I still have the wrapper, and we did some this year with it, which was the first now in 5 years or so. We've been chopping for 6 years now. I prefer that on the feeding end. Everything is packed in a bunker silo. Built cheap from old power poles and hemlock plank we had sawed, and an asphalt floor. Costwise, it's cheaper for me to chop than it was to wrap 1200 bales a year. The chopper is just an old Deere 3960. No raving beauty, but it works.

One of the biggest factors you need to watch with bales is the variability in your feed. If your fields have varying degrees of quality throughout the field, it is much easier to have a very high quality bale, and then a low quality bale.... And you're opening these Christmas presents every day, and trying to keep milk steady. We always found that there could be some wild swings in production from day to day from that factor. I guess if you go with bales, then you roll with it. I suppose even in the tower silo, there is some of that going on too, but with the bunker, everything is so spread out that feed quality remains fairly consistent. That's something you may want to consider. Mabey if you sat down and did the math on it, you'll find that the investment in silos will pay you in the long haul, even though you don't have so much money tied up in equipment with the baler/wrapper. I know where I'm at, our numbers are dropping by ~5% a year, so there is no shortage of good used equipment out there either. One farm in my area just switched from a bunker silo to 2 concrete stave silos, which they bought used. Had a dealer tear down and move them. So far they seem happy, and the cost wasn't huge. I'm facing the same decision with the milking system and barn, fairly soon. I know what it's like to look for a good answer, and not see one....

Rod

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barnrat

08-08-2006 19:46:39




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to RodInNS, 08-08-2006 14:23:23  
Well I did fail to mention a few other details. One is my father inlaw is on his fourth back surgery and can't really unload wagons anymore. Chopping by yourself is no fun. The other thing that makes me think balage is. I put up my 3rd cutting as balage using my 60hp tractor to bale and wrap and my 90hp tractor to move bales. I got 100 acres up in 3 days by myself instead of 5 days chopping with one person helping me unload wagons. I used almost half the fuel and never had to even start the 120hp tractor.

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Shep Va

08-08-2006 13:21:53




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to barnrat, 08-08-2006 11:46:26  
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We wrap most all of our hay now and it is a very good substitute for silage. I am very much into the fact that if you make good quality feed, you need less of it and your animals will be healthier and grow faster.

That said we use a trailing wrapper. They both have their good and bad. The trailing wrapper uses more plastic and is slower bales per hour than the tube wrapper, but it tends to keep the bales better, ensiles the feed much better, and each bale is its own intead of getting a hole in the tube and spoiling several bales. Also it is much easier to transport the bales after they are wrapped with a hugger and a wagon and not break the plastic, the tuber has no way to move the bales after they are wrapped.

I also think that the bales take up less space individually wrapped as you can stack them two or three high in an area instead of having them all along a fence somewhere.

The tuber is faster and uses less plastic, but tends to get more holes because of the less plastic. Splits develop where the bales meet and there is more oxygen in the tube to burn so it does not ensile as good as the individual bales do.

Bottom line to wrapping, just like anything, you get what you pay for and the time you put into it. If you want good quality feed, and put the time and money into it, the trailer wrapper is the best. If you want speed and less plastic expense, and can tolerate some bale loss, the tuber is better.

You can see which way I lean, I like the Vermeer 3500 hay wrapper, and I really do not like the tubers. I know a lot of people tube hay, and it is cheaper to do that way, but I dont think they are getting the quality they think they are.

Just my 2 cents, I think it is the best way to make hay, no matter what you use.

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Ironpeddler

08-08-2006 21:57:19




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to Shep Va, 08-08-2006 13:21:53  
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The Vermeer 3500 is a McHale 991B.



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barnrat

08-08-2006 19:58:04




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to Shep Va, 08-08-2006 13:21:53  
In the dairy business the better the forage quality the more milk you can make with less purchased grain. Which is alot easier on the wallet. Your points about a tube wrapper are valid and I never considered the chance of getting holes in the tubes. The 3500 is one model I'm considering. Thanks for your input.



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Iowa Jim

08-08-2006 12:08:58




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to barnrat, 08-08-2006 11:46:26  
If you have all the silage equipment why not go with bagged silage? A silage bagger will cost the same as the bale wrapper and you won't have to worry about twine/net wrap.

Jim



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barnrat

08-08-2006 19:51:18




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 Re: Bale Wrappers and Balage in reply to Iowa Jim, 08-08-2006 12:08:58  
I did consider silage bags as I have used them in the past for extra feed. You should read my reply to RodInNS above for more answers. I do use silage innoculent. I have a Gandy box mounted on my blower that could easily be mounted on the baler.



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