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Unifarmor

08-03-2006 08:15:51

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Do you guys ever get fed up with your old farm equipment? I was looking at our tractor line up the other day and realized that if it were 1975 we would be top of the line!
I do have a newer mower and baler but the latest tractor is a 1971. I kind of hate to look across the fence at the big boys farming.
We were really excited last year when we got a new combine. A 198? White 8900. It was a cast off from a big grass seed grower in the area. As I was driving it home a couple farmers called to rib me about it. Of course you have to figure out who got the last laugh. The fellow who bought the new John Deere rotary or the fellow who bought the $1,500 White. Just the same, sometimes it smarts...

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Fungus

08-05-2006 14:16:48

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I know a gentleman who runs a fair size Dairy Operation and working farm. They work around 1000 acres and run mainly older equipment (Whites, David Browns, Gleaner Combines) anyways, they claim their Mid 50's McCormick W4 is the best tractor on the farm.

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unifarmor

08-05-2006 01:01:29

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

Today I picked up bales on a farm where there was nothing visible older than 10 years. New International combines, new JD tractor, new pickup truck. There are some farmers making money!

If it were really 1975 the only thing I'd have to worry about is what time I had to move sprinkler lines or the Vemeer irrigator. (Which we still use) We used two Moline unitractor combines (Which we still have), 1967 MM M670 super (Which we still use), 1972 Ford truck (still use), 1952 Studebaker (dead).

Of course we are on the Yesterday's Tractors website and not on the Successful Farming Forums!

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Nebraska Cowman

08-04-2006 16:58:14

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

Oh yeah, I remember. 40� gas and 12$ milk. We had it good for a few years. I made a little money and came west. Had a chance to by pivot irrigated land for $1200 and acre with $3.50 corn. Sure glad I didn't cuz I would have lost it all by 1985. Started out buying a few cattle and now my equipment is paid for. It ain't flash & glamor like it once was but if you pinch hard enough you can make a living. That's the game isn't it? I'm playing for keeps.

Gold for the mistress,
Silver for the maid.
Copper for the craftsman,
Cunning in his trade.
"Good" said the Baron sitting in his hall,
"But iron- cold iron - is the master of them all."

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Craig in MO

08-04-2006 14:04:54

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

Nope, if it were 1975 my tractors and impliment would still be old as dirt. My grain drill has steel wheels. I love the old stuff

Emerald Farm

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LE Smith

08-04-2006 10:10:39

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

If I rember my history, the mid/later-70's were boom times and everyone (OK, almost everyone) was out buying "new". I was just wondering to myself how all that used iron today just showed up in the country side for everyone to use which I have been reading about here!!!!

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Steve from New Holland

08-04-2006 04:29:55

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I enjoyed taking a trip down memory lane with all of you, but keep in mind, if this was 1975, we would not have this forum that we all enjoy. Steve

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unifarmor

08-04-2006 07:22:58

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Steve from New Holland, 08-04-2006 04:29:55

One other point along that line. If it were 1975 there would be no computer in my 1075. No wait, that would be a good thing! I'd have a super 1048!
Actually, in 1975 we had an elevator on the side of our Studebaker truck.
This is another subject but I've been watching my neighbor's fleet of NH 585 balers self destruct baling grass straw. They are six years old. I've stacked for him since they were new. Every year the bales get more fluffy and the knots break more and more. I think it is 18 stroke 120lb bales 9% moisture readings but what do I know? I ran a 1973 Freeman 370 till it self destructed last year...

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IH2444

08-04-2006 07:22:42

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Steve from New Holland, 08-04-2006 04:29:55

in 1975 110 baud data communications was blazing fast.

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davpal

08-04-2006 00:25:59

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

If it were 1975 I would be coming home from a little league game with my dad and mom and brother and sister in our Ford gran torino sport and hanging out or going swimming with the neighbor kids. We would probably be watching the Captain and Tennile on tv or going to watch Walter Matthow in the Bad news Bears. Oh I had it good back in old 75, cute girls everywhere, I was a little hippie with long hair and summer was never even close to being long enough. Mountain Dew was in glass bottles, our tv was a big 19 inch slyvania super set that cost my dad $500 bucks. A few years later we got an Amana Radarange microwave that cost him another $500 bucks! My parents looked like kids back then themselves. We had a monkey wards hi-fi that we played Peter Frampton on and we all had little black and white tv's in our rooms. We watched Linda Blair in the Exorsist and it freaked us out. I saw Elvis Presley two time that year. Lot of good times. Our farm machinery is all old, tractors, 1940,1939,1953,1950,1974. They still all work. The only way I will probably own a new one is if I win it in a contest. Not that important to have new stuff all the time. We have far more problems where I live with inclimate weather patterns than we ever do with old tractors and equipment. I can fix a tractor but if we get too much rain or not enough rain I can't fix that. A new tractor can't fix it either! Later people.

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unifarmor

08-03-2006 23:44:23

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one pre 21st century! I've been thinking about this all day. I've been stacking straw for my neighbor. Three out of his five balers broke down and I got caught up before 1 a.m.
There is a point where things need to be rebuilt and a point where they need to me scrapped. For years we baled with a well used Freeman 370 baler and two Freeman 200's. I've rebuilt the 200's every five years. I kept putting off the rebuild on the 370 as we just didn't seem to bale enough to make it worthwile. Last year I was struggling through a 30 acre field. One little problem after another, and finally a major breakdown. The local Hesston dealer heard about my problems and brought me out a good used 4690. He said I could rent it till I fixed the Freeman and if I wanted to buy it I could apply the rent to the purchase. I finished the remaining 20 acres in a day. With a good baler I got a contract for 200 tons of oat straw and all of a sudden there was a down payment. Of course I just couldn't buy something that new so I fixed the old Freeman. 30 acres later another bearing went out.
I parked the Freeman and bought the Hesston. Or rather I borrowed money to buy the Hesston.
I probably should have spent last winter overhauling the Freeman instead of buying the Hesston. However, I've noticed a huge difference in baler technology between 1973 and 1990. Then both of the Freeman 200's died at the beginning of the hay season. So I've gone from three 1970's balers to one 1990 baler. Have one less employee. I guess you end up paying one way or another.

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Billy NY

08-03-2006 17:19:23

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

We had a lot full of new fords, equipment, ford backhoes etc., plus quite a bit of used ones and equipment, all financed with Ford Motor at that time, it was kind of nice to have a shop with 4 full time mechanics, tilt back truck, parts dept., huge shop etc., and for our 120 acres at the time, (behind the dealership was an 11 acre hay field we hayed for years) access to some of this was certainly nice and when we closed, we still had plenty of equipment for our needs, paid for, but our main tractor was a 10 year old 4000, but paid for. Selling and having access to quite a bit of equipment was a little different, and was convenient, I can remember this old trade in international baler that would bale better than the new ford 532's, I still have it actually, got trees growing out of it now ( it should have been put in a shed if we had one ) If we needed something good chance we had it, few people in the neighborhood used to like to steal from us, as a kid I caught one, always had sharp eyes, lil pat on the back for that one. I remember that time, was tough on agriculture, we tried and were successful selling their industrial/construction equipment, but the other dealer was slated for that, they were not the least impressed even after selling 29 hoes to the local utility company, dad had connections in the construction industry, execs did not care though, ended up closing. I'd have enjoyed that business, the mechanics were top notch old timers too, passed on now. We were fortunate to have what we needed, and got a few deals on things, but like most, paid fer.

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edchainsaw

08-03-2006 14:41:30

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

we have a mix newer ( not new) and old

what we've discovered... the old has to be fixed... which costs money.
the newer stuff is new and costs money

there is a point where repair costs + time lost = new cost..... ya you have to have newer stuff once in a while...

paid for dont always mean PAID FOR!

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Larry NE IL

08-04-2006 17:20:06

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to edchainsaw, 08-03-2006 14:41:30

Right you are Ed....the MOST expensive way to buy a tractor is one piece at a time!!
I'll admit that I'd like to make hay just once without overhauling something....this time it si the rake and Hesston PT10

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Chad Franke

08-03-2006 14:03:30

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

You know what they call people who buy the newest latest greatest to impress people? Broke.

Decide what your goal is, to make the farm work, or to look pretty? I"m not currently farming, but if I were, I wouldn"t have anything I couldn"t flat out buy. I don"t care if Mr. Bigshot makes comments or laughs, in a tough year when he borrows more money from the bank to cover expenses, and I make a little something, I"ll laugh...In good years, when he covers his costs and pays off some of his loan, I"ll think about upgrading or expanding.

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Hard Knocks IV

08-04-2006 02:53:31

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Chad Franke, 08-03-2006 14:03:30

Agree wholeheartedly my farm ain't pretty and neat and my tractors/equipment aren't either BUT
I am making a few bucks. Plus the big advantages of buying older equipment is finding out what was good equipment and what was lemons plus parts yards are full of what I run. Bought a New Holland 851 baler this Spring for $300 at a sale a friend bought a $25,000 John Deere baler my bales look as good as his and I have had no trouble with the NH he's had his worked on twice.
I admit his does have a little bit better paint job (LOL)

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Michael Soldan

08-03-2006 14:00:17

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

There is no shame in living within your means. I could not buy new and justify it with a 100 acre farm that once was considered an average size and is now a hobby farm. I use a MF#10 baler we bought for $100, an New Idea rake that a fellow gave me to get it out of his bush, an MF haybine that I bought for $1100 and a New Idea 484 round baler we bought for $4000. My newest tractor is an 1985. My hay elevator was purchased for $100 and two of my flatracks were purchased for $100 each and an new wooden rack added. If I had interest payments and owed thousands for equipment I would not survive. The bank right now just shut down a neighbour up the road, sent in a pair of lowboys and loaded up his tractor, combine, plow and some miscellaneous pieces. He says he is done unless he can sell one of his farms and make payments to get his stuff back. In the end I don't mind working with older equipment and as someone else already said, it takes a bit of mechanical skill to keep this running and working and doing what you need to do. I guess I'll keep plugging away with what I got, at the end of the day my hay is baled and in the barn, it may take longer but the difference may be only in hours. Don't be ashamed of your equipment, if it does the job for you you will be the richer and the wiser...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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08-03-2006 12:30:18

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

If it were 1975 my equipment would still be worn out:)

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Our Farmer

08-03-2006 10:22:45

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

ANYBODY can make a good bale with new equipment.
It takes talent, brains and perseverance to do it with the stuff we've got.
And the best part? It's paid for!

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mile0001

08-03-2006 09:18:26

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

Hey! Mine is mostly all from the 50's, with just a couple from the mid 60's. Full like of JD equipment and don't owe a penny on it. Works great! With some tlc and patience ;-)

andrew

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shawnspeed3

08-03-2006 09:11:12

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I know howt feels,except all my stuff is pre 1970, my newest tractor is a '65 Case 730CK, Hay mower is a old NI30, Baler is a 68 hayliner of what year I don't know. They all get the job done , maybee not as fast, but they all cost less than a years lease on the new stuff!Makes it a little easier to stay solvent on a small scale.

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Unifarmor

08-03-2006 09:02:46

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I guess we are all in the same boat. Nice to see someone else with a NH 55 rake. I just bought mine. Found it under an oak tree.
I think the term is "bottom feeder."
Perhaps we should form a lobbying group. The Society for The Preservation of 1970's Farming Techniques and get a big grant from the government. Or perhaps a "lifetime achievement award" from big oil. (A MM 585 engine under full load uses 10gal per hour.)
I guess I'm a bit loopy. Only reason I'm posting at 9 a.m. PST is I was stacking straw bales for the neighbor all night. Me: 198? NH 1075, 8,000 hrs. Him, NH 1095 1,200 hours.
Today I'm going to spend another 18hrs in that stacker looking at his five balers, no wait, make that six. He just bought a new Hesston.

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Allan In NE

08-03-2006 09:08:05

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 09:02:46

You need to buck up a little 'cause things are very, very seldom what they seem.

Remember, you take the high road and I'll take the low road and I'll flat out guarantee ya I'll be in Houston afore ye. :>)

Allan

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unifarmor

08-04-2006 07:33:18

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-03-2006 09:08:05

I've been spending a lot of time running stacker. A lot of people are baling grass straw in our area. They all have new balers and new tractors. Of course it is all borrowed or leased. But it sure is shiny. I guess it is time for a tractor restoration...

So, I've heard if you take the wrong road you end up in Austin... Just what I hear. Ha! Ha!

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Allan In NE

08-03-2006 08:58:54

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

No Sir,

Not one little bit. Maybe it is because I've been to the poorhouse and back again and I remember full well the route it took to get there.

I've owned this 70's stuff when it was brand spankin' new, lost it all, then rumaged around til I bought it all back used for 2 cents on the dollar. Stuff works as good today as it did back then.

When I look over the fence and see the guys with the brand new shiney LEASED tractors, equipment and combines, I actually kinda feel sorry fer the poor souls.

A bird in the hand, 'er something like that. :>)

Allan

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IH2444

08-03-2006 08:52:12

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

Yeah it is a bit depressing till I think that I fully own all my equipment, no debt :)

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banjo

08-03-2006 08:29:10

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I know exactly what you mean. everything i use is from the 70's or before.newest tractor is a Ac170 think around a 1976 model. hay rake is a NH model 55. Nh 541 sicle mower from the 70's. fixing a 1948 super a to pull the rake.My reartine snapper is a discontinued model that the parts are made out of gold aparently.My window a/c in the shop got a new compressor in the 60's.Yep it gets depressing sometimes, especially trying to keep everything going.

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big jt

08-03-2006 08:27:31

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

I am in the same boat except for being 1985.

Just remember you have a smaller note at the bank also!!!!

That is worth somthing.

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JR in TX

08-03-2006 08:26:18

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Re: If it were 1975! in reply to Unifarmor, 08-03-2006 08:15:51

That's ok,I'm lost in 1970, but I can bale hay cheaper than the other custom balers.

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