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illinois hayer

08-01-2006 13:09:54




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What do you think is the trade off between a hay shed or tarp? Money wise. You can buy a tarp and lose bales to moisture damage for quite a while before adding up to the cost of a shed. I sell the majority of my hay. (small squares) I have one pole shed and a couple of haymows that I am using now and the pole shed is getting full. I will have even more hay next year and I will have to deal with it in some way. There isn't any neighbors with sheds available. I like the idea of a bale wagon-not handling the hay twice.

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Seth_ia

08-03-2006 18:33:06




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
I've been geting tarp pieces from the local coop when they empty their corn bunker. The pieces are maybe 20x75. They cut off just what they can empty in a day. The $0.00 price is right, and they are in good shape, since they only use them once. If I remember right the tarp cost $6000 to cover 500,000 bushels.



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RickL

08-01-2006 16:32:50




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
I run into the same situation but when I get them full I rool the rest and have it always presold soves problem most years. If you are using stackwagon they take high sheds and alot of space to work in. I use accumulator system and have alot more options that way. If Iw ere to build a shed it would be in bays because you have to be able to have different types of product and the different cuttings. One big shed and these get all mixed in and that does not workd very well,if feeding your own doesn't matter but if selling it definitely does. All mine is sold. mine will be opent to the south and be bays

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IaGary

08-01-2006 16:01:23




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
third party image

Barn should have been on last post



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IaGary

08-01-2006 15:47:15




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
Built this shed in 1993 and at a cost of $8000 for materials.

It holds about 170 ton of round bales.

It saves about 20 ton of hay per year or about $1400 dollars worth.

Its paid for the materials twice in the 12 years we have used it here in wet Iowa.

Only mistake was not building it bigger.

Gary



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Matt from CT

08-01-2006 13:53:23




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
I have no idea how the costs stack up...

And I'm sure you have to factor in a lot of short and long term stuff -- your cash flow, how long you plan to be in business, if you would re-sheet or re-shingle a shed yourself, etc.

But what about a compromise, like the link below?

Basically a greenhouse style frame, good tarp over it for a 5-8 year service life. Prep the ground well -- put down tiles, vapor barrier, stone, etc to reduce dampness.

I've seen a couple dairy barns around here that use the greenhouse style.

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Matt from CT

08-01-2006 13:54:04




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 du'oh...here's the link in reply to Matt from CT, 08-01-2006 13:53:23  
sorry!



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old

08-01-2006 14:03:19




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 Re: du'oh...here's the link in reply to Matt from CT, 08-01-2006 13:54:04  
Thats sort of like my PVC pipe and tarp tent sort of building but on a lot bigger scale then what I did and the cost I know would be a lot bigger.



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Matt from CT

08-01-2006 14:30:23




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 Been keeping the PVC Tarp in the back of my mind in reply to old, 08-01-2006 14:03:19  
I have a concrete slab...been thinking of a heavy tarp for winter snow for the tractor...

Then switching to greenhouse plastic for spring.

Like to build a carriage shed to keep the equipment out of the garage a/k/a workshop and still be out of the weather.



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old

08-01-2006 14:59:12




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 Re: Been keeping the PVC Tarp in the back of my m in reply to Matt from CT, 08-01-2006 14:30:23  
I'm thinking about setting it back up over my garden if it makes it that long so I can have tomatos till around christmas but if it doesn't start to rain soon they will not make it that long.



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WyoDave

08-01-2006 13:32:56




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
I think most people are going to say shed, and for a lot of areas that is the only way to go. I thought about building hay sheds here, but there is a problem. I put up over 100,000 bales a year, and thats a lot of sheds. Secondly, my fields are as much as 8 miles apart which means a shed at every field or a lot of hauling. Finally since it is mostly alfafla hay and I rotate with corn, oats, barley, and wheat then I'd have to farm around a shed that isn't being used when I'm growing a differerent crop. The good thing is I only tarp hay on request and charge $10 a ton to do it. Maybe it'd be easier to just move to a dry state?? David

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paul

08-01-2006 13:25:33




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to illinois hayer, 08-01-2006 13:09:54  
Tarp is fine for tenporary - only doing this for 3 years or so, or just have way more hay this year because of good weather.

Shed is the way to go if you are doing this for 20 years, plan to always have that much hay.

Tarps wear out too fast, in 20 years you'll have more $$$ in them than in an ecconomically built shed.

--->Paul



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Ken Macfarlane

08-02-2006 04:49:16




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to paul, 08-01-2006 13:25:33  
Tarps never seem reliable if you don't have a good frame to hold them. We lost 400 square bales last winter because a tarp came loose in a huge rain storm. It also destroyed all the tie downs on the tarp.

The tarp-rite buildings with the metal frame under them are cheap and last about 5-8 years up here before needing a new cover. So a 30 x 90 footer is about 9000$ initially then 2000$ every time a new cover is needed. Hard to do the bay thing for selling hay out of them though.

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JaredM

08-03-2006 04:39:11




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 Re: tarp vs shed in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 08-02-2006 04:49:16  
I know one guy in our area got old billboard sign tarps to cover straw, they are built heavy. One folded up probably weighs around 80-100 lbs. We use the for water slides at 4-H camp and got them for free. I'm trying to find some to cover my alfalfa if I run out of barn space.



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