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Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base

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illinois hayer

07-28-2006 12:40:34

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I am looking at getting a balewagon (1033) and would like to know what you use as a base for stacking your hay on? It will be stacked outside and tarped. I live in north eastern Ill. so the climate is not the driest.
Can you stack on to pallets or anything that would keep the hay off the ground? I have used the neighbors 1002 and I stacked onto some pallets in a shed but it seems like the machine drags a lot of straw off the floor when it is in the dump position and pulled ahead. Also is there any certain brand of tarp that you would recommend? I have looked at Farm-Tek and Inland.

Any Ideas?

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Unifarmor

08-03-2006 07:58:38

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Re: Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base in reply to illinois hayer, 07-28-2006 12:40:34

I've made stacks outside in Oregon. The bottom bales tend to get a little musty no matter what you do.
I have used the following method with some success.
Put down heavy black plastic. You can buy it in bulk rolls. It needs to be wide enough to come up a couple feet on the sides of the stack. (The top tarp needs to overlap the bottom plastic.) Under the plastic stretch long pieces of baler twine from side to side. You can tie the top tarp to these lengths of twine later. I use a regular plastic hay tarp with eyelets for the top cover.
Spread hay or straw on top of the black plastic. Put it fairly thick. This will hopefully absorb the moisture and keep it away from the bottom bales.
The trick is to not tear the tarp or bunch up the loose hay. I try to unroll the tarp as I dump. You have to have help or get on and off the machine a lot, but it can be done.
When you are finished with the stack pull the bottom tarp up the sides of the stack and tie it. You can buch the plastic around a small rock or washer and tie twine from that to a bale. Then pull the top tarp over the sides and tie it to the lengths of twine you put under the stack.
I will add that when ever I put a stack outside and I know it will be there for longer than a week I put loose hay under the stack it really seems to keep the bottom bales looking good.

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kyhayman

07-30-2006 09:45:53

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Re: Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base in reply to illinois hayer, 07-28-2006 12:40:34

I cant see stacking outside but... if you can keep the tarp on, and if you can tarp to the ground, maybe...

As to base... I put all mine inside and still have problems with the bottom bales. Best thing I have found is to put down a 6-8" crushed stone base over filter fabric. #2 rock on the bottom and packed dense grade on top.

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Hayman

07-29-2006 20:55:52

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Re: Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base in reply to illinois hayer, 07-28-2006 12:40:34

I know of a couple guys that have built their own pallets for NH balewgons. They have the pallets where they're stacking be it in the shed or at the field. After each load a pallet is placed on the sliding rack on the 3rd table. One big pallet for the whole stack so its all off the ground and nothing spoils. The one fellow made his quite heavy duty and is able to back under them again with his 1033 balewagon. Then with a strap around it pick it back up again. Pallets are a pain to do but if your in a wet damp climate you gotta do something.

Up here in my dry climate stacking in hay sheds a little straw on the ground and its good to go.

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WyoDave

07-28-2006 20:28:58

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Re: Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base in reply to illinois hayer, 07-28-2006 12:40:34

I'm probably the last guy you want advice from on this topic for your area. Out here I just set the stack on a flat spot at the edge of the field on the dirt. Then I pull a ditch around the stack in case it rains, water won't run underneath the stack. I use the inland tarps and they're good if you get them tight enough. If the tarp ever gets some slack you're in trouble. I don't tarp much hay unless the buyer requests it, and I charge an extra $10 a ton for it. Since I started putting up hay around the first of June I haven't gotten 1/2 inch of rain total. Just 1/10th here and there a couple times. Thats why I get by the way I do, but I'm guessing you won't.
David

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RickL

07-28-2006 19:45:02

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Re: Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base in reply to illinois hayer, 07-28-2006 12:40:34

wil these stacks of hay be for your own use or are you trying to sell it. Lets just say been ther done that and stacking small square outside in my area of Iowa DOES NOT WORK TO WELL. If for your own feeding can get by but sellin it NO. If you what hay stored outside roll it and put it in net wrap you would be way ahead from my experience. I do all small square also to with accumulator setup alll goe sinto sheds or sell of the trailers. As all my small bales are sold hay and straw.

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Don-Wi

07-28-2006 13:20:39

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Re: Ky-hayman-Wyo Dave balewagon stacking base in reply to illinois hayer, 07-28-2006 12:40:34

In this climate, I wouldn't even bother trying to stack small squares outside unless I was feeding them out and the pile would only last a week. If you have to stack outside, I would consider making a nice spot to stack the hay on a well drained gravel base, that slopes away from the hay. You would probably still lose the bottom bales any way you go because the moisture from the ground will go up into the hay, even if on pallets.

We buy hay from a guy who puts all his hay in a shed, on pallets, and the bottom is still always musty and a little moldy. Putting it outside isn't going to make things any better.

Out in Wyoming the it's dry all the time so they don't have any problems, but in out wetter climate it just don't work that way...

For a tarp, you're gonna need something real heavy duty, and tie it down at every spot you can. If you don't it'll shred real quick and then you'll have moisture problems up top too.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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