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Beck

07-20-2006 12:10:19




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Just a general question about rakes. I've got a 258 New Holland rake. It does a decent enough job, except that it is really slow. It will just about rake two rows together in one pass (9' cut haybine), but to really have the row raked together right, you need to make a second pass. I see some of those newer wheel rakes with two rows of wheels around the area. I was thinking about getting one. What would be appropriate for a 9' cut haybine? An 8 wheel, 10 wheel or 12 wheel? What are the good brands? What do they mean by a bifold rake? How many rows can you actually rake together in one pass?

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JiminIA

07-21-2006 07:19:35




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Beck, 07-20-2006 12:10:19  
I have been using a 12 wheel bi-fold rake.(h+s) for about 3 years now, it does not leave a bit of hay in the field if you rake your straight rows first then go back and make your full rounds. The only thing I need to do is put center kicker wheels on it, in some conditions it won't turn over the very center hay....Jim



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Graham from NZ

07-20-2006 18:12:35




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Beck, 07-20-2006 12:10:19  
Just a few thoughts from New Zealand 'down under' as they say. I have used a variety of rakes over some fifty odd years of farming and contracting, and still have a NH 256 Rolabar rake, getting a bit rusty now. They are certainly the pick of the bunch for side delivery rakes and go for ever, so long as you tie the lifting cranks. A number of years ago a lot of 'finger-wheel' rakes were used, and I take it that is what is referred to as 'wheel rakes' where the teeth engage the ground to turn them. They were cheap, fast, and were more useful for turning the hay for drying than the Rolabar. The disadvantages were they lifted the hay a lot and in a decent wind the windrows were blown about (you seemed to need a 10ft wide pickup on the baler!). They tended to put lumps into the windrows and especially any green or wet lumps tended to get buried in the middle of the rows (good for the shear bolt salesman). Also after the rakes had been used a bit the plunger knives on my 78 and 280 balers looked rather like a carpenter's saw blade. The knives did not appreciate rake tines also left in the windrow. Here in New Zealand the European sourced rakes with a revolving 'basket' with tines on have just about ousted all the others. They dry the hay beautifully, they tear the green and wet lumps out to dry, and make lovely 'teased out' windrows the baler just loves. If it rains you can tear the rows out to dry and windrow the hay again, and no lumps. They are manufactured under such name as Kuhn, P.Z., Lely etc. The smaller ones, in a variety of widths are 3 point mounted and PTO driven and you can get out of the middle of a paddock without wrecking all you nice windrows. And then there the big ones on wheels and hydraulicly controlled. The one a contractor used here was about 9 metres (say 30 ft) raking width, just great for those big square balers.

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hayray

07-21-2006 09:41:29




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Graham from NZ, 07-20-2006 18:12:35  
Hey Graham, I agree with alot of what you said about the finger wheel rakes except I have never lost a tooth on any. The old style wheel rakes with a wheel that had rake teeth bolted to the outside of them lost teeth all the time and are absolutley worthless, the finger wheel rakes don't loose any teeth. I use just a bi-fold rake for the last 10 years, now thinking about getting a Khun rotary rake, found that I can actually bale more bales per hour with single windrows raked more straight now that I have a higher capacity baler. And the same here, the roatary rakes are fast replacing the bar rakes, most dealers are not even selling those anymore.

Ray

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GRJ

07-20-2006 15:53:34




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Beck, 07-20-2006 12:10:19  
I agree with Jerry, I do custom baling and several have the wheel rakes and others have side delivery.The side delivery does the best all around job.I will say that on perfectly flat ground the wheel rake does a decent job of raking, but we have very few fields like that in this country.



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Jerry/MT

07-20-2006 15:27:33




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Beck, 07-20-2006 12:10:19  
I have had people cut my place for the last four years and I think that wheel rakes do a poor job of raking. Those rakes leave hay all over my place after they get done raking and baling and I have to go out and pick it up or it'll kill the grass when I irrigate. When it's been raked with a side delivery rake, that never occurs. I rake a lot for my neighbor and he has an old Ford side delivery that's near worn out but it does a better job then any wheel rake I've ever seen. Just my opinion.

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Tx Jim

07-21-2006 03:58:20




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-20-2006 15:27:33  
Jerry,are the people that rake your hay using the fold-in-air wheel rakes or bi-fold? I've been using an H&S hi-capacity bi-fold for several years and I leave very minimal loose hay in field. My rake makes as even a windrow as a toothbar V rake. One drawback to wheel rakes is when cornering wheels tend to not turn and will bunch hay so I always rake the corners first to get all the hay. Tx Jim



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RickL

07-20-2006 15:23:47




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Beck, 07-20-2006 12:10:19  
9wheel inline will aslo do what you want Just cheaper in cost. They are nice thats for sure especiall the Sitrex brand(NEw Holland ) units 154 models are very nice units. Been assembling them last month or so. Have a 10 12 14 wheel on hand all with center kicker wheela also. I have use them and they are nice.



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M Nut

07-20-2006 13:35:41




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 Re: wheel rakes in reply to Beck, 07-20-2006 12:10:19  
I have a 10 wheel v-rake (5 on each side). With my exact 9ft cut haybine, I can pull three mower swaths into one windrow in one pass. Works great. With my 9'10" discbine, I can't reach three, only two, but then I would only need four wheels on each side to pull in two. The front ones do no good when pulling in only two swaths. In a nut shell, if you want to roll two into one, get an 8 wheel. If you want three in one, get a 10 or 12, depending on how wide your mower cuts.
They are a MAJOR time saver. Never be without one as long as I put up hay.

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