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jc mini

07-20-2006 11:43:32




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need help? I have heard that johnson grass is toxic to cattle at certin stages and a freind wants me to put some cows on his farm to clean it up. there is alot of johnson grass what do i need to look for. Also he has a hay field i will be cutting and it has alot of johnson grass mixed in with the bermuda.




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Loren NC

07-26-2006 14:28:54




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 Some of your responses amaze me! in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
Johnson grass is nasty stuff! I learned the hard way when I was a child and led a calf to graze on Johnson grass, then stood and watched it die. Here are the basics of what I learned from the vet and others after that experience.

Horses can eat it because they can pass the gas. Cows can't pass the gas so will bloat, suffocate and die. You CAN puncture them on the RIGHT side in front of their hip bone in that hollow area behind their ribs and let the gas out. It works best if you insert a tube of some sort to hold the opening open until the gas quits forming. IF cows are on the grass before it comes up in the spring (won't work in the south where it never dies!) their systems adjust to it and they can graze it all year. Put them in later and watch them die! Hay is not often a problem, but I would avoid it like the plague, because it will bring seeds to your place and you will battle Johnson grass the rest of your life.

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IH2444

07-21-2006 09:42:23




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
I believe it is illegal to transport hay with Johnson grass in it in KY.



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our farmer

07-21-2006 06:45:46




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
Basically, don't feed it if it's purple. That's the indicator of the presence of prussic acid. Like the rest said, drought stressed or after the first frost.



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bvomark

07-21-2006 05:56:14




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
As stated below johnson grass can be toxic. The cattle will eat it and it causes them to bloat. Because of the bloat they will not be able to breath and will suffocate. If you find one bloated I have heard you can poke a knife blade in to the stomach in the hollow between the hip bone and rib cage. This will allow the gas to escape and the cow can then breath. Old timer said it will heal on its own then.

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mlm

07-21-2006 21:38:49




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to bvomark, 07-21-2006 05:56:14  
If you use a big long syringe needle, it will heal better.



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Tx Jim

07-21-2006 04:07:03




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
Stressed Johnsongrass can have prussic acid if your in drought conditions and if you graze it you will know in about 30 minutes. If you bale Johnsongrass with prussic acid problem will go away in a month of storage. Johnsongrass is very good forage. Tx Jim



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JM in Merit

07-20-2006 19:20:47




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
Been baling Johnson grass hay for 20 years, never had a problem with it, cows love even had a few horse people like it and buy it from me year after year or have me bale up their fields for them. Never have grazed it as grazing will usually kill it after a period of time. I have actually planted johnson grass in a few fields, but most get started on its own.



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Jerry (AL)

07-20-2006 16:03:29




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
I have 40 acres and it's loaded in johnson grass. A fellow with 200+ head of cattle eats it every year and has for several years. I understand that way back it was actually introduced to this part of the country as forage for cattle. Not sure but what I have been told.

You can kill it by spraying it with roundup,but unfortunately it also kills your good grass.

But I've been baling johnson grass for hay for 40 years in these parts.

I spray it in the corn but even then unless you no-till, it will come back strong each year. It seems when you dig up the old roots and get them close to the surface, it comes back. You have to spray it every year to keep it down. It takes a few years to actually kill it out even in row crops.

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mlm

07-21-2006 21:47:08




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to Jerry (AL), 07-20-2006 16:03:29  
For organic people,I have heard that you can rotovate it to kill it. The tailgate needs to be wide open. The plants are throwen up into the air and parachute down,landing on the surface and dry out(If it doesn't rain). Also works good for quackgrass. Really dusty job.



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Princeton Bill

07-20-2006 14:36:27




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
I'd recommend that you talk to your vet. He should be able to tell you for sure. It would be worth talking to him considering the price of cows these days.



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Walter in Ky

07-20-2006 14:32:23




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
Watch for Prussic acid poisioning in a drought situation or immediately after frost. Otherwise, cows love it and do well on it, row crop farmers hate it.



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Walter in Ky

07-20-2006 14:32:14




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
Watch for Prussic acid poisioning in a drought situation or immediately after frost. Otherwise, cows love it and do well on it, row crop farmers hate it.



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hay

07-20-2006 11:54:05




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to jc mini, 07-20-2006 11:43:32  
i read that johnson grass develops "prussic acid" when very young stage and at very old growth stage such as seeding out. don't know much more about it than that.



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Gorilla

07-20-2006 19:42:28




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 Re: johnson grass in reply to hay, 07-20-2006 11:54:05  
Cows love it. Dont let them in it when it is stressed from drought or after a frost or prussic acid can kill them in about 20 minutes. Otherwise it is great.



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