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Meadeaw plowing advice, gettin at it.

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StuBC

07-19-2006 08:36:42




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I have been hiring a hoe to ditch my meadeaw, 6 acres and its going into 40c weather this week. So its looking pretty good to work the meadeaw. Its peat (dark, black organic typically soils) over clay. Clay ranges from 12" to 3' below the the surface so some thick peat for sure. The owners before cut the swamp spruce from the peat out with a chains saw and pulled stumps and all out of the ground. Large holes all over the place, not level at all. Very rough.

I brush cut it down 2 falls ago, but the willow and bog birch are about waist high again, not not too heavy, and its heavy with slough hay grass, etc.

I have a 2 bottom IH Little Genius trailer plow that I used and can make work well for me. I did 3 acres of clay sod a few years ago.

I would prefer to get at the field and plow it but I wonder about the brush. Will I need to brush cut it first or will it turn that brush over. I am going to be going about 8" to get the stump holes leveled. Does a plow like mine put that brush under or will it be a problem? I will lose my weather window cutting the brush, its a first gear, full power project, losts of fuel, and lots of time which I dont really have to do both. But I want to do it right, so looking for advice on brushing/plowing or just plowing. (Then I am going to disk it smooth, let it sit till spring, redisk and harrow in reeds canary grass seed)

Stu

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B-maniac

07-22-2006 20:22:52




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 Re: Meadeaw plowing advice, gettin at it. in reply to StuBC, 07-19-2006 08:36:42  
It's been let go too long to use conventional tillage methods. First you need to kill all the shrubs and vegatation inc. roots.Then you need to drag them to the surface. I know it's going to plug and be a mess but you got to get them out of the ground.Rake them to the edges of the field or another SAFE place to burn them. You cant bury shrubs or tree roots,that's just what they need to spread and grow. Clean it up because peat that deep is a gold mine .

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vernM

07-20-2006 16:51:11




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 Re: Meadeaw plowing advice, gettin at it. in reply to StuBC, 07-19-2006 08:36:42  
I think you will have problems with the plow plugging up.

I plowed some peat swamp a couple years ago without any brush but some 5 foot canary grass. The dry peat will not want to turn but slide.

By the way I was using a IH 720 plow 5 x 18 and when it went good it was good. But when it decided to plug, it was not fun.

Whatever, do not try and burn. Peat fires are bad.



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LDM

07-20-2006 12:01:07




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 Re: Meadeaw plowing advice, gettin at it. in reply to StuBC, 07-19-2006 08:36:42  
have you thought about useing paraquat or roundup at a high rate. After the vegetation is dead,burn it off. Not to sure if it's safe for burning peat land,you would know this. But it would make turning it under with a breaking plow much easier. If thats not possible I would,bush hog,disc several times at angles and then turn under with plow.



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paul

07-19-2006 21:38:41




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 Re: Meadeaw plowing advice, gettin at it. in reply to StuBC, 07-19-2006 08:36:42  
I was going to say you are very much in the the wrong time of year to be plowing - until you mentioned peat ground. Makes good sense then. :)

You are in for a rough day. This will not go easy no matter how you do it.

I would be _very_ scared to cut it, the stuff will not go through the plow, it will bunch up & plug. Peat ground only makes this much worse than regular ground. You would need to pulverize the shrubs/ grass into less than foot long pieces. Much less, probably.

I would try plowing it standing as is first. If that doesn't work, you can try chopping it fine later. However, peat ground does not hold root balls very well, so even the standing stuff will want to bunch up, pull out of the ground, and plug the plow. I think this will go _Better_, but it will not go well.

Then, how will you work up the ground after you plow it? A disk will work ok. But you can't go in with a field cultivator or harrow or anything with teeth for several years - will pull all those shrubs right up to the top & make a horrid mess. Not sure the plow will bury them 'good enough' to begin with.

Best option, if allowed, would be to burn the top off. Get all that stuff out of your way.

--->Paul

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430WLPG

07-19-2006 16:44:05




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 Re: Meadeaw plowing advice, gettin at it. in reply to StuBC, 07-19-2006 08:36:42  
It should work if the brush is not too large,I do know if you were to cut the brush you would have to remove all the loose material,Because with it loose the plow would act like a hay rake and that would be a big mess. But with everything attached it should flow through with "relative" ease. Also it willonly fill in those stump holes somewhat ,Because you will get a mirror effect(everything around the hole will be fluffed up also). Don't be disappointed however a disc with some sort of a drag( big log) will finally fill them in.

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