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RC farms

07-19-2006 06:07:39




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I have about 6 acres of sweet corn on a patch that had broam on it for about 35 years, this is the second year of swt corn and about half of the ground is poor...lower ends mainly. Of course the weeds got to part of it and I couldn't get any pre-emergent down or cultivate because it was too wet. I did have the soil tested the first year and applied the proper amounts of fertilizer. Someone told me to put down clover on the poor area in Feb?? then disc it under in early spring. I had all of it in winter wheat for this years planting ...so any ideas out there?? I'm located in Eastern KS. Another question is I plant my rows north and south and this is in the direction of a gentle slope...I have more room for my turns. I was thinking about planting east and west which will run the rows parallel to the slopes....also any thoughts on that? Mnay thanks for any advice.

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Jimmy King

07-19-2006 11:16:42




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RC farms, 07-19-2006 06:07:39  
When I was a boy my Dad used a lot of Sweet Clover for green manure. I have used Red Clover several times, and once on a neighbors place he wanted us to get a field he had to grow some thing. We put it in wheat and Red Clover did not get any red clover, but a very good stand of lespdezia at about waist high plowed it under. The next year we did the wheat and Red Clover again got a good stand of red clover plowed it under. Then put it in alfalfa that stand was baled for about 10 years, his son put it back in alfalfa and it still grows a good crop. Hedid get the lime and fertility up in the begining and has kept it there since.

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El Toro

07-21-2006 08:01:59




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to Jimmy King, 07-19-2006 11:16:42  
Any of the legumes will improve your soil. Hal



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RC farms

07-20-2006 05:51:54




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to Jimmy King, 07-19-2006 11:16:42  
Thanks, What month/s did you plant the clover?...and how did your Dad apply the lime...a spreader or by hand?



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Jimmy King

07-20-2006 10:51:48




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RC farms, 07-20-2006 05:51:54  
We always used a comercial fertlizer and lime applcater, but first take a soil test find out what the ph is and what fertilizer it needs. Your local Extension Service will test the soil if you take a test in to them for a small fee. Fertilizer co's usually will come out a take a test for you. I know MFA will here. I have sowed Red Clover different times with wheat or oats, drilled a lot in the spring late Feb or March in fescue with just an old JD drill poor mans no till.

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Jimmy King

07-19-2006 11:18:11




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to Jimmy King, 07-19-2006 11:16:42  
PS, that is just west of Springfeild MO



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old

07-19-2006 08:39:02




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RC farms, 07-19-2006 06:07:39  
Manure and lots of it then work it in real good. You also should rotate crops like corn becuse corn takes a lot out of the soil. You can also plant clover in with the corn it you plant the right type that doesn't get to tall and take over. If you hand pick the stuff make your rows a little wider and then you can mow the clover a few times to keep it short and the corn will also do better becuase clover is a nitrogen fixater

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RC farms

07-19-2006 09:37:49




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to old, 07-19-2006 08:39:02  
Thanks old. I'd been thinking about this so I guess i'd better get myself a manure spreader. A fella down the road a couple miles has been giving me all the free cow manure I want. Course I help him now and then. Had to put side boards on my wagon. Load up the back of my pickup and the wagon gets loaded down too. went over there once for some loads and they were wet...didn't take too many loader fulls to do both the truck and wagon.
Just a note. You've given some pretty good advice on this board. Thanks for your contributions.

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old

07-19-2006 10:43:09




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RC farms, 07-19-2006 09:37:49  
I do a slow organic type garden every year and most years my tomatos if I could tie them up would be 8-10 tall, my corn sweet of course is like 8 plus feet tall and all I do is in the fall cover the garden area with manure and then in the spring till it in. I'm going to try something new this fall. I'm going to put the manure down after I till the gargen then put old hay on top of that about 6 inch thick and then this spring just sort of make holes in the hay and put my plats in. I hope doing it that way will cut down on weeds and also help hole the water in. In my area its been so dry the last few years by this time of the year the garden starts to burn up and you can't pump enough water to it to even begin to help

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RB/CT

07-19-2006 06:22:02




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RC farms, 07-19-2006 06:07:39  
You are talking about Frost Seeding the area in Feb or March. You scatter the seed, (whatever clover you decide on), when the day temp is above freezing and the overnight is below freezing. Works excellent with clover, which finds the small holes, and you get good results if done at the right time. Did my field in PA with Aslike Clover, Dutch White Clover and some Birdsfoot Trefoil for the Deer and Turkeys. Had Excellent results. Corn takes alot out of the soil, had Corn in 94, Hay from then on, the grey soil turned brown, and the Earthworms returned. Just kept brushhoggin and leaving it too rot over the years. A recent soil test showed ph of 6.0, and soil classified as LOAM, or ideal garden soil. As said, Corn takes alot out of the soil. Good luck.

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8N'r

07-19-2006 07:44:18




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RB/CT, 07-19-2006 06:22:02  
RB--I have about 2 acres of former pasture that have been left in grass for the last 5 years. I have kept is mowed short this year and am planning on putting in a food plot for deer and turkey. How would you prep this area before you did the frost seeding? I was originally planning on putting a late August planting of some sort next month. Thanks, Tim



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RC farms

07-19-2006 06:30:35




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RB/CT, 07-19-2006 06:22:02  
Thanks RB. Did you mix the different clovers? I was thinking about seeding the whole field in winter wheat then discing under the poor sections in Feb and seeding with clover..weather permitting.



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RC farms

07-19-2006 06:14:35




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 Re: Help on Improving ground in reply to RC farms, 07-19-2006 06:07:39  
I meant to say not (parallel) with the slope but across (east and west)the slope or against the slope.



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