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Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W??

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Joe in IN

07-18-2006 06:06:54




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Looking at Don's nice wagon below I noticed he ran the deck boards East/West.

Which is better or does it matter? Running the deck boards North/South or East/West?

My wagons I put more lumber into by running 4X6's as stringers. Go E/W with 4X4's and then 2X8(or 10 or 12) for the deck. Is this overkill??

Basically I am looking for the cheapest deck that will hold 125 65lb bales and last for 10 years(or longer).

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Tim(nj)

07-18-2006 17:03:43




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-18-2006 06:06:54  
You never see a wagon decked cross-ways around here. Always rails, with stringers across, and then decking length-ways. One reason for this is that at one time on most farms here, the hay wagon, with rack removed and 18-24" sides added all around, also served as a grain and ear corn wagon. They wanted the deck lengthways to make scoop-shoveling easier, no snagging on the joints. I think the extra strength of the stringers also gives people working on the hills some added sense of security.

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kyhayman

07-18-2006 11:54:37




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-18-2006 06:06:54  
I've never understood the purpose of putting the floor on the same way as the runners except to get more height. Always seemed cheaper to me to put a couple of inches of iron on the wagon axle to raise the whole thing.

I used to build and sell a bunch of them. 3x10 or 4x10 white oak runners; 1-1/2 thick, variable width, 7 foot 10 inch long flooring with 2x6x20 sideboards. All white oak. Normally, I get about 10-12 years out of one that stays outside 24/7 never oiled and never swept. Maybe a little less since I've been hauling round bale silage as the water coming out of the rolls is pretty acidic.

This spring I was getting $450 each for them and making $100 each, takes about 4 hrs to build.

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Don-Wi

07-18-2006 10:17:42




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-18-2006 06:06:54  
If You're looking to cut out material costs, go across the stringers like I did. I welded 4" square tubing to the running gear so the wagon would clear the tires (scrap steel my dad dug out of the bin next to his place of employment) Then I just nailed the boards on, made up a back and the pockets. We've get 4 wagons with 4x4 uprights in pockets, and they all work great without the extra side supports. Much stronger than bolting them directly to the stringers too.

I've got one I build 5 years ago that I made out of 3-4 other wagons combined, and it's holding up just fine. One board was split this year but it was almost gone when I put it on in the first place. Just what's done around here....


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old

07-18-2006 07:50:24




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-18-2006 06:06:54  
I just built one a couple weeks ago. I used 2X6 steel tube for the main frame and bolted it to the running gear. Then I put 3X4 oak stringer side to side 3 foot apart and toped that with a combo of 2X8 and 2X12 and started on the out side with 2X8 and worked my way to the middle. Works real good and looks good also.



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Errin OH

07-18-2006 06:49:24




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-18-2006 06:06:54  
I guess it depends on what direction it is parked. :P

Every running gear I have decked didn't have much of an option. The main beams (3x6) didn't clear the wheels enough to not use cross supports with the deck running length wise. Adding the 4'� with cross supports, wheels centered in between did. I did however deck a steel framed trailer that did clear the wheels and ran them across the main frame. No difference in strength, but it was supported on the outside edge by a steel frame. Just as strong, as long as you have the support. Now, if the main beams are set on 4 foot centers and your decking 8 feet wide, the two foot over hang doesn't have enough support and will eventually curl on you. I bought one once that way. What a mess. I guessing only about 4 or 5 years old and every end went a different direction. Striped off, added cross supports, and ran deck length wise.

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John Mar

07-18-2006 06:20:05




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-18-2006 06:06:54  
Joe you have the right idea. You need that extra lumber for the support. The wagon below is not going to hold up a lot of weight. My rack is constructed pretty much as you have outlined. You will be better off in the long run. Just my 2 cents.



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Ken Macfarlane

07-18-2006 09:41:50




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 Re: Hay Wagon Deck? Run Deck boards N/S or E/W?? in reply to John Mar, 07-18-2006 06:20:05  
Never seen a wagon decked north south around here. Almost all are 4x8 beams on the running gear followed by 2x material east west then 4" wide 5/4 boards set north south above and below the outside edge with carriage bolts run through every 2 feet. Keeps all the 2x material straight.

Made out of softwood and left outside they last about 15 years here if you treat the main beams and clean the hay outta the gaps over the main beams. The same wood left on the ground lasts about 2-3 years before you can crumble it up.

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