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Type of rake for haying

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P. Verity

07-16-2006 21:14:55




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I want to find the fastest way to dry hay windrows by


raking. Currently, I set a narrow (but deeper)
windrow on my MOCO and turn it with a two wheel VICON rake. It inverts quite nicely.
The hay would dry faster if the windrow was wider and
shallower. I could use my side delivery rake on this but I"m
worried about excessive "roping" and poorer
control on getting the wet stuff to the top.
Any
thoughts?
Thanks

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rick YYC

07-17-2006 07:29:27




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 Re: Type of rake for haying in reply to P. Verity, 07-16-2006 21:14:55  
it's not so much wider and flatter you need as it is fluffed up so the air can circulate in it. Which is why in moister climates e.g. US Pacific Northwest, British Isles, northern Europe, Japan, haying is done with PTO-driven tedder rakes. Tedding spreads and fluffs it up, and if you do soon after cutting while the plant is still pliable, the leaves stay on. Teddeded again if it gets a shower.

Then once getting close to dry, set tedder rake to "rake", rake up into fluffy windrow for final drying.

See link for better details on description.

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rick YYC

07-17-2006 07:30:53




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 Re: link in reply to rick YYC, 07-17-2006 07:29:27  
oops, somehow that link fell off. It's "cru.cahe.wsu.edu/
CEPublications/eb1897/eb1897.pdf"



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RickL

07-17-2006 03:57:17




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 Re: Type of rake for haying in reply to P. Verity, 07-16-2006 21:14:55  
You will have ideas here all over the place,from bar rakes wheeel rakes tedders etc etc. Me I keep it simple Mow with JD disc mowco puttting it in windrow narrow enought so tractor straddles it. lays next day,then follow with turning it just over with wheel rake,you learn to drive the sweet spot where it will just flip it over,lays then usally bale next day. thats if it goes as planned. never will always be the same IT ALL IS UP TO MOTHER NATURE AND THE HUMIDITY.

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P. Verity

07-21-2006 21:48:08




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 Re: Type of rake for haying in reply to RickL, 07-17-2006 03:57:17  
Actually, that"s just what I"m doing now (JD disc mower, 2 wheel rake) but the wheel rake does have its problems. It makes a mess if you have to tur it twice. I have a side delivery rake and also a Sitrex Haymaker HM 300 but I"ve never had much luck with the latter. It still leaves the wet stuff underneath.



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RickL

07-22-2006 04:11:02




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 Re: Type of rake for haying in reply to P. Verity, 07-21-2006 21:48:08  
why does it make a mess if you turn it twice? Sometimes i have had t do it four or five times just depends on if rains and weather. Do it all with 6 wheel rake and will be goind to 14 wheel unit. Lovem, when turning it over you need to find that spot where to drive and IT WILL JUST FLIP IT OVER. I do it all time. Otherwise maybe a windrow inverter might be the item for you. Was going try unit last season after assembley but it was sold already. HM 300 explain which that is Are you talking 3pt unit and it is only 2 wheels. Does it fold up like a butterfly? Those styles I have assembled and wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.

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Hugh MacKay

07-17-2006 03:16:24




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 Re: Type of rake for haying in reply to P. Verity, 07-16-2006 21:14:55  
P Verity: Your question is rather a loaded one. To begin with I've never seen two different models of MoCo's make the same type windrow. There has been such a vast variety of hay rakes in the past 50 years, one would have to live to be 150 years old to try them all. Then you throw into the equasion, species being cut, geographic location, weather conditions mainly humidity and breeze.

But you want to know something, those last two, humidity and breeze will have more to do with drying time than all the equipment from here to kingdom come. A third factor is keep the damn tractor wheels off the hay after you mow it.

Here is what I ran into 40 years ago, and I lived in an area where humidity was rarely below 75% and more often 90%. I had been brought up as a young man to think like Leland, spread er out flat. I started putting up haylage from a 75% alfalfa 25% grass mix, often times we were dealing with yields of 6,000 dry matter per acre each cutting. We also had stones, thus material went right into windrows from the NH 460 haybine. We didn't want any rake gathering stones into those windrows. We were using 90 hp on NH S717 harvester, 60 hp at silo blower and two 40 hp tractors to pull wagons. Our average lead time between haybine and harvester was roughly 24 hours.

Try as we might, everyday there was some material got too dry for haylage. Every day between milkings I found myself out there, turning these windrows as you do, with my Farmall 130 and rake, and usually baling that material with 130 as I didn't dare take one of the 40 hp tractors off the haylage, it would only make my problem worse. At that point I said, hold on, I've got to rethink this whole haying process, here I am trying to store haylage at 30 to 40 percent dry matter and each day I'm coming up with material in the 20 to 25 percent dry matter in less than 24 hours of undisturbed material. 2 to 3 hours after turning it I was baling it. We had never dried hay that fast in all the years we made hay.

At the time we introduced haylage, we had been baling about 35,000 bales annually. Our goal was to put about 25,000 of those bales into silo as haylage. We were still intending baling 10,000 bales annually. It was never my intention to do it by myself between milkings with a Farmall 130. The plan had been for those 4 or 5 young lads I had hired running haylage equipment to first fill the silo, then bale the rest as hay with larger tractors.

NEEDLESS TO SAY, FROM THAT DAY ONWARD HAY WAS PUT IN WINDROWS RIGHT FROM HAYBINE.

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Leland

07-17-2006 01:15:26




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 Re: Type of rake for haying in reply to P. Verity, 07-16-2006 21:14:55  
I always thought it dried faster if you layed it flat with the moco then come in a couple of days later then fliped it over but to each there own . But weather has more than anything with hay .



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