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JeffK-MN

07-15-2006 21:13:10




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My old New Holland 55 rake has finally lost the fight it was a good rake for a long time but now it needs too much to keep it working any longer

So I need a new rake and want to know what you like best and what not to get?
I also would like to know what you think of the rakes that tending the hay or is that a joke My NH would make the windrows like a rope and that is why I will stay away from that kind again Thanks Jeff

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tw

07-16-2006 22:07:58




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
I am using a Miller Pro 1150 for a few years now. It is built heavy & I haven"t had any trouble with it. It stacks up the hay against itself to make a fluffy windrow. Before that I also had a NH 55. Night & day windrow difference between rakes.



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seth_ia

07-16-2006 19:26:13




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
I have come to the opinion that there is not a perfect rake. I've been using an IH 16, which is fair for the money. I'm going to look and hopefully buy a real nice H & S bifold rake Monday. I'm not impressed with V-rakes that are hard to adjust and that the wheels don't float individualy. Thats why I'm going to try a bifold. If this don't work then I may build a tandem hitch to pull two bar rakes. It is about $2000 with the center kicker, so I figure why not try it. My main reason for looking at rakes is capacity. I perfer real big windrows for a big square baler.

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RickL

07-17-2006 04:12:48




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to seth_ia, 07-16-2006 19:26:13  
Seth; Look at the NEw Holland 154units,been putting several together and tried some different ones out myself just to see, they nice unit,for what you wanting you would want 7 wheels to a side and the kicker wheel option in the center also,make sure you get the seperate fold option also. H&S same basic unit as far as that goes. I do like the seperate cylinder units tyhou versues the ones that use 1 cylinder to fold both wings etc. Yes the other v rakes that fold like the butterfly in transport don't have independent wheel control,have done some od those also but I wouldn't have that style if yiou gave it to me. LIke it always has beeen you get what you pay for. Make sure you get it 1 wheel large than you need so you don't have to maxi out in the field because when you do it doeasn't rake as well because of the angle,it starts fighting itself. Other wise they are nice hope to have one next season. The 9 wheeel inline units are nice also thou and quit abit cheaper only diff is the have some side draft on hills but no big deal. YOu will need to learn to rake different thou with the units you are looking at and I Still STRONGLEY SUGGESTY THE SEPERAT FOLD OPTION. Iwouldn't have it without after trying them. last I kne think the ones I assembled are on the lot yet.

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Seth_ia

07-17-2006 20:41:48




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to RickL, 07-17-2006 04:12:48  
Your right about the NH wheel rakes. I saw the case-IH version up at the hay expo. Definately one of the best rakes in the field. A couple of the brands actually missed hay during the raking demo.



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RickL

07-17-2006 23:56:31




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to Seth_ia, 07-17-2006 20:41:48  
Its funny at some of those shows alot of times the stuff is really never setup or adjusted right in the field. SOME factory reps etc I have been finding out really don't know how to actually setup there product when it comes down to it. Met another few months back was way up in the company and I ended getting ahold of him and boy that was a joke,keep thinking how he get the job.



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Seth_ia

07-18-2006 19:17:10




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to RickL, 07-17-2006 23:56:31  
The windrows that they were chopping up there were pretty small and not much of a test for the big SP choppers. That did not stop the JD rep from plugging his chopper however. should have seen those Deere reps scramble



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RickL

07-19-2006 02:38:06




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to Seth_ia, 07-18-2006 19:17:10  
Yea makes you wonder some days how they got there job doesn't it. AAnd then someof them I have met are really good at there stuff. Did you get ya a rake



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RodInNS

07-16-2006 18:51:37




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
I have a NewHolland 254 tedder/rake. IT does a nice job if it's set up correctly. That said, it's a maintenance nightmare. It costs a fortune to keep it running as a rake. The cam components are of poor quality/design. I'd say if you found a good original one that's still tight in all areas, and not beat to pieces, then it will do you, PROVIDED you aren't going over more than 30-50 acres a year. If you want to do a lot of work, it will be far more economical to have 2 machines.
I think the later NH 255 tedder/rakes had a somewhat improved design. I say somewhat. They still don't look like a lot to me.
I still use the 254 for tedding in it's conventional mode. I bought a Kuhn Gyro rake. Does a nice job. Makes a nice row. It's built heavy. So far, no trouble. I'm not a fan of any rollabar/ conventional side delivery rakes ore wheel rakes. To each his own in that department...

Rod

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JRT

07-16-2006 21:42:07




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to RodInNS, 07-16-2006 18:51:37  
I have a 254 new holland and have used it for about 10 years. Other farmers who own them say they like them but, like you, say they require constant maintainence and they are undependable. Mine has been practically maintainence free other than greasing it regularly. I do about 100 acres per year. I have put in some new teeth but thats about it. I think a lot of it is who is using the machine. A friend of mine has one which has probably had 15 people operate it over the years, some of them which treated it rough, dropped it on the ground with the 3-point like a ton of bricks, and just roughed it up in general. Those things will not take a lot of abuse. I take it easy on mine and I am the only one who has used it since I got it 10 yrs ago. I think that makes the difference.

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RodInNS

07-17-2006 09:06:50




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JRT, 07-16-2006 21:42:07  
I think you had a pile of luck too. I will admit that my 254 has had a few drivers, and drivers is the word, not operators. It's been knocked around.
In the end though, I think it's just poorly designed. Ours was difficult to keep greased, particulairly on the tine arm bushings. I've often greased it and had half the nipples get pushed out of the plastic bushings they sit in. That was not so much the problem we've had. The biggest problem was the wear on the hangers where they sit in the roll pins. Once everything gets sloppy there, the whole assembly can drift towards the cam, and when the cam follower bottoms out, it rips the nylon roller off the bearing. Then the cam gets worn out. If you're really blessed that day, the arm will catch something, and jam up, and then break a shaft or pin somewhere else.
Like I said, I was always happy with the job it did. I just don't like maintaining it. It costs more to maintain then it does to buy another rake.

Rod

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RickL

07-16-2006 17:31:08




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
Wheel rake is my choice been the bar units years back etc etc. yes they do have some corner problems but isd no big deal if you do left turns they are fine. dirt is not issue if you learn to just simply watch the pressure you have on the wheels. I have a 6 wheel unit need to get rid of since going larger if that would help, good unit, also have some bar units availble but they aren't my choice

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KEH

07-16-2006 16:14:14




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
I had a 55 rake for years until it got in the condition yours is in. Now have a 10 wheel v rake. I will take the wheel rake with its speed and deal with any problems in small fields in return for getting the job done faster. I've never been able to see any that the baler had any problems with the condition of the windrow, ropy or otherwise. If the windrow is too wide, yes there are problems but that can be worked on.

KEH

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Lemonl

07-16-2006 10:29:25




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
Ia Gary is right on when he says "You can help this if you lift the front of the rake up on the slide up front there." The manual states that for a fluffier windrow to move the adjustment upwards. It works for me! Now I'm getting loose rows (grass / legume mix) with the adjustment about 80% towards the top. I'm happy with the NH 5 bar.



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Chick

07-16-2006 05:55:22




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
I think when Jeff said his old NH rake made windrows like a rope, he was meaning that they were straight and tight, and that he liked that.

Finger wheel rakes are great in larger fields, but in small fields, where you have to make lots of turns, they can be hell. I know, because that is what I have right now. A standard side delivery roll-a-bar rake is better in that application.

They are making a rake now, that is very similair in looks, to a 2 basket tedder. The 2 baskets work together to through the hay against a drape, on one side, to form the windrow. Conversely, you can change a couple of things, and this machine will serve tedder duty as well. Sounds like a win-win situation for someone baling for himslf in small fields.

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IaGary

07-16-2006 06:02:23




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to Chick, 07-16-2006 05:55:22  
Chick you better read that last phrase of Jeffs again.

I think he wants to stay away from roping.

Gary



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IaGary

07-16-2006 05:48:15




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 Re: Need New Rake in reply to JeffK-MN, 07-15-2006 21:13:10  
Jeff all basket or bar rakes will rope the windrow if you rake it to wet.

You can help this if you lift the front of the rake up on the slide up front there.

As for what rake to buy, I have a wheel rake but there not for everyone.

For my ground they are fine but hilly ground they like to draft if its a oneway wheelrake.

If your seeding is thin and the ground is loose you can pick up a lot of soil.

I like my wheel rake but some don't care for them.

Gary

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