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Sickle mower Hay rake?

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MN Bob

07-07-2006 15:21:18




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Well I have decided I just have to have one of each. The MoCo is ok, and the V rake works, but I want to be able to square off my very irregular fields and turn the hay. So- pros and cons of different models (older and "inexpensive") of each. Gotta get going to auctions I guess. Bob




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Randy as in Randy-IA

07-08-2006 21:36:18




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 15:21:18  
What I am finding , Bob , is that older and " inexpensive " usually means " trashed " . If you go that route , like a lot of the rest of us , plan on it being a " ford " item . ( Fix Or Repair Daily ) . That might not be so true for the sickle as it is for a rake . I know the IH 1300 is a good sickle . But sometimes they can get pricey . The ones everyone else mentions are up at the top of my wish list also . But for now my old Oly 415 works good after MUCH reworking of it . It seems not to many want to maintain sickles or rakes , " if it ain't broke don't fix it " attitude . They are time consuming , just like setting the sickle up on the haybine . " Close " will work but " spot on " works like a dream . Good luck and happy hunting ! ...Randy

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MN Bob

07-09-2006 07:46:04




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 07-08-2006 21:36:18  
Hi Randy; Darn I was hoping IA would be full of old rakes in good shape just waiting for me to make a trip to see the Grotto and visit friends near Strawberry Point. Yeh, inexpensive is really "cheap" but my wife says that is not what she wants to hear, so I clean it up but fool no one. I am on a tight budget since both of us are seniors, recovering from cancer ops and never were one of the "wealthy few". Dont mind spending time working on equipment, and advise on " how to" is always so good from the folks here. Tough part is breaking down at the wrong time but that is life even on new equipment. Have a great day-- Bob

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Don-Wi

07-08-2006 15:39:00




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 15:21:18  
I just gotta ask- Why does it seem everyone wants to take a step back and use a sickel bar over a moco?? It doesn't matter how oddly shaped the feild is, I can cut it with either of our mower conditioners. We've got a 9' New Idea and a 14' Hesston Hydra-swing, and both are good machines.

Donovan from Wisconsin

By the way, where in MN are you located and would you want to sell the v-rake? For the right price I would love to go on a road trip...

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MN Bob

07-08-2006 16:00:51




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to Don-Wi, 07-08-2006 15:39:00  
Well the idea of the sickle is to let me cut rough stuff along the edges, ditchs and the outside of the field. My west edge is on a wet land. Take a snake, point him south and let him go a ways, poke his right side, then his left, then the right. I can cut it with the JD 1219, no problem. but I thought the sickle might be easy to straighten out that edge with as well as the above. And my v rake is good, I like it. But if I want to turn a windrow I have to hang weights or put up with a slow lift/lower on one side and harder to control on the hillside to keep from digging in. No-- not for sale. Do you know anyone over there with a 656 or 666 INT for sale? Any good 50 to 70 horse diesel with 3 point etc for hay field work? Bob

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Don-Wi

07-08-2006 22:44:06




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-08-2006 16:00:51  
Theres a few different tractors around in the 50-70 HP range at different dealers, but I haven't been looking lately so I can't say exactly what or where.

Our main haying tractor is a Massey 285. Not too big, and definately not small at all. I've been using my Ollie 1600 gasser a lot this year too now that it's running again. It's a great tractor to have on the rake and to pull wagons around.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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IBorange in TX

07-07-2006 20:49:23




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 15:21:18  
I have a IH 1300 sickle mower on a Ferguson 35. I put a pull hitch on the back of the mower, so when I get the hay down, then I hitch up to the old JD pull bar rake. I use a JD 435 round baler and pull it with a Belarus 570. You can get by w/just 2 tractors, if you work it just right. My baler is the most expensive piece of equipment that I own. I have to work on a "shoe string".
Good Luck..... .

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Blue Buddy

07-07-2006 18:58:25




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 15:21:18  
wow, the old straight sickles are sure outta style here, but always seems to be several to fix each year, pick what ya like, but a couple ideas to maybe consider, the New Holland, and maybe some others (MF?) use a belt drive across to the knife with a drive pivoting with the knife, so the knife angle does not matter, the New Idea and Ford use a bar across the back, so you can only run the knife when it is near level or it binds and breaks the bar, if yer gonna cut the side of the lane or ditch bank this might matter, most of the rest is how good is what yer buying, knife, guards, PTO etc, and how far to go get parts, also, some 3pth ones can be finicky to get hooked up by youself, a Mower Conditioner is pull type behind any tractor, crimps the hay for better drying, and lays in a swath width you choose, may not need to even rake depending on weather, as for a rake, get a bar rake that looks like it has been taken care of, most all mowers and rakes like these have not been built fer years so already have had lots of use likely, although NH still makes new mowers I think. can seldom go wrong with buying from one of the bigger factory lines

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old

07-07-2006 17:52:27




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 15:21:18  
What type do you want as far as the sickle mower?? Pull type, 3 point, mid mount or semi mount. NH makes some real good stuff but can be pricey at times.



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MN Bob

07-07-2006 18:15:32




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to old, 07-07-2006 17:52:27  
Yeh, one of those! Hi Old, well since I have no experience with any that is what I was looking for, advise on types/models. I have a 4010 jd, (no 3 pt)and WD (has 3 point 1 hyd) that I use now. Would like to pick up another, in the 50 to 70 HP range. I just see it as an advantage to hook up to a sickle mower and cut the outside, then run a north south line to prevent cutting into a pie shape and driving over more down crop. Hope this is a better explanation. Bob

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old

07-07-2006 19:05:00




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 18:15:32  
To bad your so far away. I have a NH 45,46,47 sickle mower I'd like to sell. Its a pull type right now but and this is the neat thing about it, it can be made in to 2 or 3 differant type machines will just a few extra parts. It cn be made in to a semi mounted one or as it is and I also think it can be made in to a 3 point type.



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Harley

07-07-2006 17:59:15




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to old, 07-07-2006 17:52:27  
I have a Gehl 1090 haybine that I will never pull again. I bought a NH model 450 and my friend bought a 451 and I've heard the 456 is about like them. We cut grass hay down here in the Ozarks of southwest Missouri, and those NH sickle mowers are the cat's meow as far as I'm concerned. We've REALLY abused them in the last two weeks cutting brush with the grass and they are SO much easier to get to to replace sections if you have to. And the little bolts they have now are so much easier and quicker to replace than the rivets that it's not even funny. I gave $300.00 for my 450 and the friend gave $150 for his 451, and they are all but identical. A very good machine as far as I'm concerned. Then pick up an old one way rake for a song and you're in business. Harley

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MN Bob

07-07-2006 18:20:08




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to Harley, 07-07-2006 17:59:15  
Hey Harley; I think your 450 is another mower conditioner? I am not familiar with NH so bear with me. I am more interested in something to go behind the WD or such. Just drop it down, then rake. I think a JD #5 is along the line but I am not color blind and am looking for in-expensive reliable machine. Bob



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Harley

07-08-2006 18:17:02




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to MN Bob, 07-07-2006 18:20:08  
Nope, the NH450 is a seven foot, belt drive, sickle mower. Easy to work on, pretty simple, and tough as nails. Harley



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MN Bob

07-09-2006 07:36:19




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 Re: Sickle mower Hay rake? in reply to Harley, 07-08-2006 18:17:02  
Thanks Harley; That is just what I need, tough as nails and easy to work on. 7 foot sounds about right also. What do you pull yours with? I was hoping to use the WD for this chore. Bob



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