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Question about rebuilding a hay wagon.

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old

07-01-2006 16:24:33




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Well as you guys have said I'm rebuilding it at 16 foot by 8 foot. Now is this over kill or under kill. I'm useing 2 main beams made from 2X6 steel tube, 16 foot olng and will bolt those to the up rights on the wagon frame. Then I plan to use 3X4 oak for the side to side beams and the 2X lumber on top of that. So is the 2X6 steel to heavy, about right or not heavy enough. This stuff is 1/8 thick also. Also should the side to side beams be on 4 foot centers or 3 foot centers??
Thanks.
This is the first time I have ever built one of these thing.

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JMS/MN

07-02-2006 11:37:42




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to old, 07-01-2006 16:24:33  
I don't think your stringers are too heavy, but I would not bolt them in four spots. The frame needs to flex over uneven ground. I'd weld stabilizer tubes near front and back, bolt diagonal corners, and use loose chains to anchor the other two around the bolsters. A strip of car tire at the beam/bolster contact will quiet the wagon and eliminate the mushrooming of steel on steel. I'd space the cross beams at 3 feet, and the 2 inch floor will give long-lasting strength. If you ran them crossways as 8 footers, they's sag in a few years with no support. Sounds like a strong plan you have.

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RodInNS

07-02-2006 09:31:11




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to old, 07-01-2006 16:24:33  
Old,

If I was scrounging for stuff to build this, or even buying the stuff new, then I would go with 3x8x1/4" channel for the main beams. Then I would use 3x1.5x1/4" channel for the cross members, spaced around the 2' mark. One nice feature of the channel is that it's easy to drill and bolt the plank to the deck. Like I say, that's how I'd do things if I still needed to find the material...
Since you've got it, I'd say the 2x6x1/8 HSS will be quite alright for the main beams, so long as it's stood on edge. The wooden part isn't my cup of tea, but it works. Works better when it's cheap and you have it, right? Know all about that. Sounds like you've got a plan.

Rod

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Gerald J.

07-01-2006 19:36:25




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to old, 07-01-2006 16:24:33  
The 2x6 steel tube are probably big enough. I made one with one 2x6 wood flat, one vertical, and another on top flat to make a channel. It was a little flexible, but stood up to 165 bales per load.

I think you work too hard with the oak cross pieces, then long planks. Just cut your planks to 8' long and screw them to the steel tubes with truck deck screws (McMaster-Carr 90390A550). You will need to drill and countersink holes in the planks and to drill tap holes in the steel. These screws cut their own threads. Then along the edges (front and rear too) bolt down a 2x4 flat to keep the bottom bales from squirting out from under a tall load. I used 1/4-20 carriage bolts every 3 inches or so. When the wood has cured, tighten up all the bolts one more time and beat up the threads sticking past the nuts on those carriage bolts so they don't fall off. The 2x4 also helps share the load between planks that ought to be at least 6, preferally 8 or 10 inches wide.

A couple coats of house paint will make it last a couple decades, at least.

A length of 1" or larger angle under each side is another way to make it stiff and then leaves a lip for hooking on ratchet straps to hold the load for long distance deliveries, but the 2x4 are still needed. My main rack has tower legs, that's 60 degree angle, under the edges but I had to add the 2x4 to hold the bales on.

Gerald J.

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Gerald J.

07-01-2006 19:39:00




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. P.S. in reply to Gerald J., 07-01-2006 19:36:25  
Some cross pieces between the 2x6 steel tubes will help them hold strength by keeping them from twisting under load or worse, falling over. Could be wood pieces or pieces of the same tube welded in place between thee two main tube rails.

Gerald J.



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Shovelman

07-01-2006 18:44:20




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to old, 07-01-2006 16:24:33  
We just finished replacing the beams and stringers on an 8x16 H&S kicker wagon this morning. We used 2-2x8x16ft SYP (pressure treated) laminated together with PL-300 adhesive and 3/8 carriage bolts for each frame rail, and 6-4x4x8ft SYP for the stringers. The deck was reused 2x6x16ft SYP, spaced about 1 inch apart for drainage. We also caulk the top of the seam on the laminated beams to shed the water.

After we located the stringers on top of the beams, we drilled down through both and used 3/8 x 12 carriage bolts to anchor them, then screwed the deck boards to the stringers with 3 1/2 inch coated Scorpion Screws.

Cost: Beams,stringers and hardware - about $225.

Labor: About 8 hrs for the whole job, which also involved taking the metal rack and 2x6 decking off and then putting them back on, some welding and a quickie brush paint job on the running gear.

Good luck,
Scott

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old

07-01-2006 19:10:39




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to Shovelman, 07-01-2006 18:44:20  
Shoot you have 10 times the $$ I will have in this. All the steel I got about 10-15 years ago for $0.03 a LB and the stringer I will use cost me the gas to haul off the pallets they came from. I figure when its all said and done not counting my time I wil have less then $50 in it.



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amo

07-01-2006 17:58:02




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to old, 07-01-2006 16:24:33  
YOU WILL NEED ALLEN TO LOAN OR GIVE YOU ONE OF HIS BIG FARMALLS TO PULL IT AS HEAVY AS IT WILL BE



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old

07-01-2006 18:09:17




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to amo, 07-01-2006 17:58:02  
So I guess your saying I'm building it over KILL then LOL, I guess I'll have to take some pictures of it as I go. I have the 16 foot main bemas on now but have given up for the day and will start on the cross beams tomorrow



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amo

07-01-2006 18:02:23




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to amo, 07-01-2006 17:58:02  
ALLAN I AM SORRY I MISSPELLED YOU NAME



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phillip d

07-01-2006 17:17:50




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 Re: Question about rebuilding a hay wagon. in reply to old, 07-01-2006 16:24:33  
wow!you'll never break that wagon lol.all we use is either 5" or 10"x10" for main supports and just run the 2"x whatever size we have around across the top and place them about 1" apart for drainage and also uses less lumber too,only thing to worry about is rott.so if this works,you'll never have to worry about your wagon old,take care,phill.



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