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14T knotter question

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Joel Harman

06-30-2006 12:36:26




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Stand behind the baler. On right knotter, twine is 1/4" from the support to bolt the knotter down. On left twine 3/4" from support. Left always ties. Have replaced bill hook & twine disc pinion on right. I had to build up the path the bill roller follows. Bill hook rotates freely. Tucker fingers deliver twine to the correct place at correct time. I'm using sisal. Should I "model" the roller side of the right wiper arm to move the throat over 1/2" to the left so twine is more centered? If so that is alot of bending. Am I asking for trouble heating it then bending? Or, any other ideas are gladly considered. Thanks.

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TimS

07-01-2006 06:03:10




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to Joel Harman, 06-30-2006 12:36:26  
I'm a bit confused by your question, is the twine not in the same spot on the needle on the right side as it is on the left? Or is the twine to far forward or back?



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Joel Harman

07-01-2006 06:29:49




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to TimS, 07-01-2006 06:03:10  
Tim, picture the twine centered in the channel created for it as it is played out when making a bale. On the left side it is centered in the channel. On the right it is over towards the outside edge of the channel. I'm thinkingthe right wiper arm is not fully wiping the know off.

I did file the sharp point off the new bill hook as it appeared the tied knot was hanging on the point at times. Make any more sense?

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Joel Harman

07-01-2006 06:27:21




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to TimS, 07-01-2006 06:03:10  
tim, picture the twine centered in the channel created for itas it is played out when making a bale. On the leftside it is centered in the channel. On the right it is over towards the outside edge of the channel. Make any more sense?



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TimS

07-01-2006 12:05:22




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to Joel Harman, 07-01-2006 06:27:21  
Ok, I understand what you mean now...but I am not sure the wiper arm will effect the twine placement at that point...is the right side knot hanging on the billhook? If so the bill hook tension could be to tight or the wiper on the wiper/knife arm needs to be bent up wards to more closely wipe along the bottom of the bill hook, mine are touching pretty firmly on my 14T..

Does the left side tie ok but the right doesn't?

Is the twine disk rotated farther on the right knotter than the left?

Is the ceramic cylinder underneath the bale chamber that feeds the twine upwards off center or something?

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Joel Harman

07-01-2006 12:42:38




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to TimS, 07-01-2006 12:05:22  
Wiper contact good, just does not travel far enough,I think. Insulator good too. So is twine disc timing & placement.

I'm thinking I need to bend roller side of wiper arm but hesitant to heat it then bend it. I have gotten quite proficient removing it as I have lost 2 rollers. I didn't clean the seat for the snap ring good enough 1st time.



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TimS

07-01-2006 13:26:48




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to Joel Harman, 07-01-2006 12:42:38  
As far as modeling that roller arm, feel free to heat and bend it...we did that on one side of ours, actually broke it trying to bend it the wrong way without heat ( the tucker finger was out of adjustment, we were way off track solving it ). I welded the arm back twice and heated it with a torch and shaped it the way it needed to be shaped...they are cast so be a bit gentle but heating and bending will work fine.

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Joel Harman

07-01-2006 13:39:30




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 Re: 14T knotter question in reply to TimS, 07-01-2006 13:26:48  
Tucker fingers are right on, but with the wiper arm being so far to the right I think this is the problem. Sick funny, I did not notice roller was missing at first & it tied for a spell without it. So that is why I was asking if anyone had tried heating then bending.

Thanks for replies, Tim.



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