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making a no till planter

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Richard G.

06-29-2006 06:35:17




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Has anyone ever put no-till coulters on a JD 494A planter to try to no-till corn or beans?
Thanks, Richard




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pbutler

07-01-2006 07:51:26




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  

Look what I found a picture of, accidentally found it while looking through auction pictures.

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pbutler

06-30-2006 06:01:26




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
I would not put coulters on a planter that light. Like others have said, too light of a frame-and coulters not that good anyway.

I would look at row cleaners/trash whippers. You may have to fab your own mounting as I don't know if they make adaptors for that planter or not-I doubt it...but that shouldn't be hard-especially if you go with floating.

Dawn, Yetter, and Martin all make very nice row cleaners.

Here are some pictures of what I used.

If you want to see results go to: http://www.paul-julia.com/Farming2006.shtm

I am really happy and have good stands of corn and beans. But I ended up putting over $1,000 per row in the planter. The floating row cleaners were about $350 each. I spent a lot on new corn and bean meters which you wouldn't need.

Not sure how many acres you plan but like somebody said you can pick up those old 4-row 7000's really cheap.

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Leroy

06-29-2006 17:59:17




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
Disc seed openers were an option instead of the shoe openers on the 494A but with them you need the closure discs as well, I have them but don't have them on as the bearings are stuck and have problems with covering and John Deere did sell as an option a no til coulter for that planter, seen one set at auction and before I could get there they were sold, was going to try to buy them but not for no til but for slightly crusted after rain worked ground, ended up with a Midwest Planter harrow mounted on planter

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IaGary

06-29-2006 15:16:43




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
Richard I don't think that 494 has enough weight to it to hold it in the ground,

Unless you add weight and then the planter is not built strong enough to carry it.

There are used 4 row notil planters that don't sell to high because everyone wants wider planters these days.

Gary



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mu

06-29-2006 09:41:04




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
better just to buy a no till planter I have an AC 4 row if your interested



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IaGary

06-29-2006 09:12:13




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
Has that 494 got seed runners or disc openers.

If it has runners forget it.

Gary



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Richard G.

06-29-2006 09:20:36




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to IaGary, 06-29-2006 09:12:13  
It has runners, but I have disk openers I can put on it.



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RustyFarmall

06-29-2006 10:55:43




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 09:20:36  
I think the disc openers are to be used in conjunction with the runners? Are furrow openers and disc openers the same thing?



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IaGary

06-29-2006 15:11:16




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-29-2006 10:55:43  
Rusty, maybe I used the wrong word to describe them.

The old 494 we had when I was a kid had runners or shed runner shaped shoe on the row unit that just slid along in the ground to open a seed trench.

I don't think disc style openers were used until late 60's or maybe even the 70's.

Runners would never work in notil no matter what you put in front of them.

Gary



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RustyFarmall

06-30-2006 04:45:38




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to IaGary, 06-29-2006 15:11:16  
Yes, that's how I remember it.



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JMS/MN

06-29-2006 09:04:32




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
Might be an issue of frame strength when you hang no-tills on that planter, depending on how wide the coulter is. Trash whippers might be a better option in that regard.



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Gerald J.

06-29-2006 08:41:34




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 06:35:17  
"No til coulters" often don't do any benefcial good when planting. What worked with my 7000 planter were dawn trash wheels to open a path through the mulch of dead weeds and corn stalks so the sharp planter disks could do their job. And I got a good stand of beans without stiring any more dirt than the seed slot. Frost over the winter did the ground mellowing that would have been assigned to tillage machinery.

Gerald J.

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Richard G.

06-29-2006 09:17:15




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Gerald J., 06-29-2006 08:41:34  
I am not familiar with trash wheels or whippers.
Could you give me some more info on that?
After the flood we had here in NW SC this week, I would like to no-till next year. Some of my precious topsoil wound up in the fish pond.
Thanks, Richard



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Gerald J.

06-29-2006 15:25:54




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 09:17:15  
I put Dawn trash wheels on my 7000 and they nicely parted the trash on my unworked field this spring. I think they were model 1014 and they bolted on without any modifications to them or the planter.

Coulters tend to hair pin corn stalks rather than cut them and to pack the dirt unless its already too dry for planting.

I'm sure that a shoe opener won't penetrate at all, and as light as the units on the 494 are, disc openers might not penetrate.

Gerald J.

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JMS/MN

06-29-2006 14:24:29




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to Richard G., 06-29-2006 09:17:15  
Google "Dawn" trash whippers.



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IAW-9

06-29-2006 16:57:03




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 Re: making a no till planter in reply to JMS/MN, 06-29-2006 14:24:29  
Growing up in Northcentral Kansas in the 70's we had neighbors who put those old JD planter units on the back of their big sweep plow (35 foot wide). They mounted coulters in between the plow and planters the second year. I watched that thing for 20 years and it never missed a good stand in everything from flat black to yellow clay. They were in Farm Journal from time to time with it. I doubt it would work in wetter soils in the East, but it sure did work there.

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