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Kelly C

06-29-2006 05:57:29

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1st time I have ever hauled big bales. Those top bales are like trying to stack jello. Got about 1/2 way home... Hey that looks like its leaning.
Stopped and added some more tie downs and chains. I think I pulled in the yard about midnight.
One row is all I will ever haul again.
Not fun.
Now to see if My H can get them off.

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billyar

07-01-2006 14:17:44

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

I'd put astrap across the trailer between the top bales, hauled 7 from a 850nh on a 6x21' trailer.

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Ross

06-29-2006 19:54:39

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

Be careful trying to lift those round bales off that trailer with your trip loader and H! Hate for something to happen to you.
Ross

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Kelly C

06-29-2006 21:07:03

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Ross, 06-29-2006 19:54:39

I think I may just push the top ones off then pick em up. I am putting a bale spear on the H now. Just hope she has the guts to lift them. Only need to move out of the way until the 706 comes back.

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paul

06-29-2006 22:56:13

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 21:07:03

My H would not lift a bale, but then it's pump was weak 30 years ago when dad used it hard....

You will need a _lot_ of rear weight tho, we have a concrete weight in each wheel, 200# each; put a rack on the hitch & add another 200# on that plus 2 IHC wheel weights at, um, 80# each? and a few heavy chains to get around 1200# on the rear end when loading manure. Need to keep them anchored. :)

--->Paul

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Seth_ia

06-29-2006 19:27:43

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

This is why they invented big square bales!

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Ron in AR

06-29-2006 19:16:17

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

I must really be nuts then! I make 4X4 rounds (about 800 pounds each) and have delivered many a load of 40 bales. I haul them on my 78 C-65 with a 16 foot bed and my 30 foot trailer behind that. Two layers of double rows on each. I use two 4 inch straps (with heavy duty welded on ratchets) length wise on truck and trailer. Then two 2 inch straps over the side on the trailer just for insurance. Never had a problem, and I've hauled a lot of those loads up and down the Ozarks!

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kurt:ky

06-29-2006 15:22:47

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

Who the heck rolled them? too loose.

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JMS/MN

06-29-2006 08:00:26

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

Two apparent problems- bales are way too loose, and top row should be a single row down the middle. Top weight will tie the bottom rows together.

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Roy in UK

06-29-2006 09:47:33

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to JMS/MN, 06-29-2006 08:00:26

Yes , far to soft, how would you be able to stack them?

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Rauville

06-29-2006 07:18:32

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

I used to haul 7 big rounds (13-1500# ea.) on my 18' car trailer. Tied the whole load together with a 3/4" nylon rope lengthwise around the bottom bales with a come-along, and then over the top with another come-along at the front of the trailer.
My knuckles are still white from some of those trips.

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Allan In NE

06-29-2006 06:43:20

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

Kelly,

You remind me of me when I haul a tractor on my trailer. I just plain "don't like doing it".

I keep thinking that darned tractor is just too derned heavy and will try it's best to find it's way into the pickup cab. :>)

Allan

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BillyinStoughton

06-29-2006 09:52:22

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Allan In NE, 06-29-2006 06:43:20

I know what you mean Allan! I hauled the 544 just a couple of weeks ago and no matter how many chain binders I put on that load, I still find myself spending a lot of time looking in the rearview mirror making sure the IH emblem on the grill isn"t getting any closer. :-)

Gotta grab a rake this weekend...but that should be a little more managable.

Have a good weekend!

Billy

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Luke S

06-29-2006 11:00:34

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to BillyinStoughton, 06-29-2006 09:52:22

Oh come on you two, buck up a little!!! Sometimes if I am moving bales and don't have a loader tractor on the other end of the trip, I'll load around 18 bales on the trailer and put my Kubota loader tractor back on the dove tail of the trailer and down the road I go! Can't even see the tractor around the bales because I stack the bottom row two wide and one row down the top.

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Luke S

06-29-2006 11:08:17

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Luke S, 06-29-2006 11:00:34

This is how you do it fella's!..... ..... ..

Link

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Tom in TN

06-29-2006 06:35:27

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 05:57:29

Kelly,

I don't know any of the details, but I read a brief statement recently about a man who was killed when three big round bales fell onto him. I only handle small squares so I don't know much about the behavior of big rounds, but it looks like a high load like that could be pretty dangerous.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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Kelly C

06-29-2006 06:46:42

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Tom in TN, 06-29-2006 06:35:27

Oh I could see how that could happen. I was getting the hebby jebbies just putting the tie downs on.
Maybe the newer bales being much tighter are easier to trailer double stacked. Oh heck maybe mine are suppose to be tighter and may baler is just old.
Any way not double stacking these any more. Tooooo Scary.

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Luke S

06-29-2006 06:55:34

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Kelly C, 06-29-2006 06:46:42

My bales are a little tighter than yours, out of my Hesston 5500 baler. I haul in between 18-24 bales at a time out of the field on our 48' stepdeck trailer that I pull behind a 1-ton Dodge dually. I stack em two wide, and then one on top right down the middle of the bottom two. That works real well. But one row on bottom doesn't work good for putting more on top, way to tippy. I could get more bales on the trailer but by the time you get 18-22 1,100lb bales on a trailer that weighs 8,000lbs you got a pretty good load.

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Randy as in Randy-IA

07-02-2006 16:04:25

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Luke S, 06-29-2006 06:55:34

I hope that the trailer you are talking about is a wagon because the only thing that can haul 30,000lbs or more is a semi tractor . If you are pulling that much on paved roads with a one ton dually I don't EVER want to be in front of you on the road ! Does that trailer have maybe four sets of duals under it or at least three ? Becuase a tandem set of duals doesn't have the capacity you are describing unless it's a modified semi trailer , still the truck is the bigger issue . A 1 ton dually never was intended to tow that much weight . If you can get it done safely more power to you ! Good luck ...Randy

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Luke S

07-03-2006 06:49:58

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 07-02-2006 16:04:25

No it is a 48' step-deck gooseneck. It has 3-8,000lb axles under with 14-ply tires and brakes on all three axles. These type's of loads are generally just in across the farm or on gravel county roads at slow speeds. But occasionally I'll go down the road with 16-18 bales on. We use the same trailer to haul trucks on, that is mainly what we use it for. We often haul two 1-ton 4x4, crew cab duallys. The trailer is a take 3 step deck.. They make trailers specifically for auto transport, but I've found there step deck model does good double duty hauling vehciles and on the farm.

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Randy as in Randy-IA

07-03-2006 10:47:44

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Luke S, 07-03-2006 06:49:58

Hi Luke , I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it because it's your part of the world but 8000 X 3 is only 24,000 lbs gtw and since the trailer weighs in at 8,000 lbs that's only a 16000 lbs load rating . 20 - 1,000 lbs bales is just that - 20,000 lbs or TWO TONS over rated capacity , add the extra 100 lbs per bale and that adds another ton then add the weight of the trailer itself - just around 30,000 lbs . If that's for a short distance over smooth level terrain it's not a problem but on the road you wouldn't want the DOT to stop you . Overweight fines would cause you to go broke . I once hauled a F-250 4x4 with tractor tires on it and a 460 engine behind my '78 IH scout with a simple ball hitch from North St. Louis Co. down to Lesterville , Mo down Hiway 21 ( about 100 miles ) . That was a thrill ride . The front wheels of the scout were barely on the ground and we did it at hiway speeds or faster . Amazing what you can live to tell about ! I'm not a participating member of the safety police but some things just aren't right . Good luck to ya and as Red Green would say " I'm pullin' for ya , we're all in this together ! " ...Randy

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Luke S

07-03-2006 14:44:49

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 07-03-2006 10:47:44

Yes I know I am overweight. But that is just what we do. The trailer seems to take it ok. We have put about 100,000 miles on this trailer in the last three years and it weighs between 20k and 30k on a weekly basis, and I have never even had a tire blow(of coarse I run 14-ply tires with 100lbs of air in them). No cracks any place on the trailer, and we check often. One ton Dodge duallys are a common place in the auto transport industry. You go to the auto auctions we frequent and you'll see 10 or 15 of them hooked to 3 and 4 car trailers such as mine. Our trailer has brake's on all three axles and they are strong. I can stop 30k as fast or faster than some of these jo blow's pulling a tractor on a little 16' flatbed behind an F-150 to a tractor show. I can actually lock up all six wheels with a 30k load on, you'll flat spot the tires pretty bad, but you can stop!

Here is a link to my gallery over at the D.T.R. You can see the trailer hooked to a couple differnt trucks of ours with different type's of loads..... ..... ..... ..

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Luke S

06-29-2006 09:00:04

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Re: Not going to be doing this again. in reply to Luke S, 06-29-2006 06:55:34

If your bales are tight, you have the right kind of trailer and a man enough turck(heavy enough with big brakes) you can move a lot of hay. I'll take a picture of the next time I load up 20 or so bales so you guys can see it.

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