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sickle mower raking info./advice?

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Loren P

06-27-2006 12:47:15




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I bought a 6' belly mounted sickle mower for my Allis C last night, and it appears to be in nice condition. It came with the pulley that mounts on the PTO shaft, and previous owner said it ran nice. It has brackets for bolting to the bellhousing, and the rear bars of the frame bolt on top of the drawbar.

Does anyone have any info on what model this mower would be, and where I can find a manual for it? From what I've found on this site so far, I think it may be a #5 mower? Any info. on mounting and operation of the mower would be greatly appreciated, since I would like to try using it in the next week or two to cut my pasture hay. Do I mower the field clockwise (making right turns,) then finish the outside last by mowing in opposite direction?

I have been using a MF36 self-propelled mower conditioner, but I've had a lot of trouble getting the clover to dry in the windrows. I've been thinking that swathing with a sickle and letting it dry flat may work better, then raking into windrows. How would I rake to form the windrows after swathing using a side delivery rake (rake counter-clockwise toward center of field?) Any suggestions or advice would be helpful.

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Allan In NE

06-27-2006 18:15:35




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 Re: sickle mower raking info./advice? in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 12:47:15  
Loren,

You can either rake in a circle counter clockwise-clockwise or you can just start on the right side of the field and make rounds, thereby moving in a left direction across the field.

Allan



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Sid

06-27-2006 16:05:37




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 Re: sickle mower raking info./advice? in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 12:47:15  
Yes you mow around the field clockwise. Yes I do the outside by turning around the opposite direction last. I say last because that is where the surprises(rocks and such)are usually found. I find it less frustratingto find them last than in the beginning. When raking I start on the outside as you say go one round then go the opposite way and make around putting to round together. Then I go counterclockwise and start the next windrow. If you just make one single windrow, It has been my experience that the rake will do a little better if you travel the same direction as the mower.

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FreeRanger

06-27-2006 14:22:19




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 Can anyone answer the other questions? in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 12:47:15  
Can anyone answer the other questions like which direction to cut? How to build windrows?

I recently purchase sickle mower, NI Model 30. Don't know how to use it as well. Any advice apreciated. YES, I will replace the "homemade" metal pitman with a wooden one BEFORE I even try using the unit.

How do you make grass hay with a NI Model 30 sickle, NH 256 rake and a NH 66 baler? Is there a website out there with instructions?

Thanks

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paul

06-27-2006 21:08:01




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 Re: Can anyone answer the other questions? in reply to FreeRanger, 06-27-2006 14:22:19  
There is an excellent web site on making hay, however this place blocks us from posting such things - somehow it"s bad competition or something. I don"t get it.

Go to your favorite search engine, and look up "haying FAQ" and you will find it at a sheep creek web site. Pretty long, but it tells all the basics on how to make hay.

--->Paul



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FreeRanger

06-28-2006 08:30:22




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 Thanks, just what I was looking for. in reply to paul, 06-27-2006 21:08:01  
Thanks, When I first purchased my land I tried selling (giving away) my existing hay fields. I live too close to town and nobody would buy or reliably take cuttings away. I planted more acres and mostly grass so as to have horse hay and not dairy hay (alfafa). I don't have horses just sheep.

I now have a local farmer who makes small squares for me but he doesn't want to do it on halves anymore. So this Spring I purchased some equipment. I am still using him for cutting and balling but I am now doing the raking. My old Ford 600 doesn't have hydraulics for the NH 479 haybine (yet). His baler has a thrower. I am not healthy enough to use the NH 66 baler but will hire teenagers to pickup and stack.

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KEH

06-27-2006 16:21:11




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 Re: Can anyone answer the other questions? in reply to FreeRanger, 06-27-2006 14:22:19  
All common mowers except self propelled ones and big center pivot Hydro swings only cut in one direction. It will be obvious when you mount up and start out. Start slow until you get a feel for the capacity of the outfit.
Drying time for hay depends on how green the hay was when cut and how dry the weather, also whay kind of hay. Ask for local advice, but basically you twist a small amount of hay together tightly. If drops of water come out, it is too wet. If it still feels dry its dry enough.
I think a NH 66 will handle small windrows ok without making misshapen bales or "bananna bales". Later NH balers did better with large windrows. Experiment with different sized windrows.
Small square balers have bale tension adjustment cranks at the very back of the baler. Start fairly loose, tighten to suit yourself.
The knotter trip arm has a set screw arrangement to adjust the length of the bale. Its probably ok where it is.
Have fun, guys.

KEH

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which?

06-27-2006 15:33:47




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 Re: Can anyone answer the other questions? in reply to FreeRanger, 06-27-2006 14:22:19  
Which direction to cut? How to build windrows?
Don't know how to use mower! How do you make grass hay? If you don't know any of those answers, why would you have the implements in the first place? Websites aren't THE answer. Find a neighbor who MIGHT help.



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Loren P

06-28-2006 09:16:59




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 Welcome to the 21st century in reply to which?, 06-27-2006 15:33:47  
Hey Austin Powers, welcome to the year 2006. No, the earth isn't ruled by apes, but they have made some advances in hay equipment since 1950. I would ask my neighbors for advice, but I don't think anyone in our township has mowed hay with a straight sickle bar since 1970. Mower/conditioners, haybines, etc. apparently have become the prefered method, so finding someone who has experience using WWII era haying methods is difficult. In my 35 years, I have not seen a hay field in our county that was not mowed directly into windrows, so I feel that I have the right to ask for some ADVICE on how to create a windrow when the mower doesn't do it automatically for me. We have a mower/conditioner to mow in the modern way, but for the conditions of my field, I think sickle mowing may work better.

Can I drive into the field with the rake and start at it and figure it out as I go? Of course. I've learned most of life's lessons by trial and error. But if possible I would like to do it right the 1st time and avoid rolling the outer windrow into the fence or doubling up windrows into something that won't dry.

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FreeRanger

06-28-2006 08:28:42




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 Go back to bed.... in reply to which?, 06-27-2006 15:33:47  
someone got up too early?

I'm not looking for "THE" answer. Just looking for advice. I do talk with all of my neighbors. However in this area most are making round bales of alfafa for dairy and NOT small squares of grass for horses. They don't use very old equipment on such a small scale either.

Purchased equipment at auction for in case my current custom farmer stops helping me. He has plenty of other work at his farm so traveling a few miles to town to make my 20 acres of hay is NOT a high priority for him.....

My sheep the grass on the ground, I am baling excess to make money from horse owners.

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Dave H (MI)

06-28-2006 15:57:11




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 Re: Go back to bed.... in reply to FreeRanger, 06-28-2006 08:28:42  
Don't worry about it. We get some cranks around here. The sickle mower is not rocket science. Mine sticks out on the right side and I mow in a circular clockwise fashion with the guards just up from level until I do the last row, then raise them higher. Side delivery rakes come in left AND right orientation. Once again, the direction is going to be pretty clear to you once you get out there. Leave the hay to dry in the swath until you are certain it is ready but more importantly until there is NO chance of rain. I then rake just before lunch and bale in the afternoon and load and sell it until dark. As long as you don't bale green/wet hay you will be alright and learn as you go.

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old

06-27-2006 13:25:34




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 Re: sickle mower raking info./advice? in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 12:47:15  
Drop me an e-mail and I'll sent you a copy of a manual for it, or one that should be close. I have an Allis C and a belly type sickle mower and some one a few months ago sent me the manual so I fell I should help you by doing the same thing but you need to send me an e-mail for me to be able to do so

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Loren P

06-27-2006 13:43:02




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 Re: sickle mower raking info./advice? in reply to old, 06-27-2006 13:25:34  
Old,

Sent you an email with my email address.

Thanks



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