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Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed?

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Luke S

06-26-2006 10:21:13




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I currently have a New Holland 256 rake with dolly wheels that is in good shape. I like it but it is slow. I have been thing about trading it off on a new V-rake but they are aronud $3g's and I didn't want to spend that much. Guy just down the road who has an equipment repair shop and handles some short-line equipment has a couple year old "Durabuilt" 8-wheel pull type hydraulic fold V-rake for sale. I could probably trade even up. It would be a real time saver for us, instead of making 3 passes to make a windrow only one is required. And since my wife does most of the raking I want to make it as easy as possible for her. I have a tedder so I do not use my 256 for fliping or anything like that. Will I be sorry I traded? Or should I do it? This durabuilt has been through his shop and he says it is field ready, he'll even bring it over and let me try it on some hay before we trade, what do ya guys think?

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Kippster

06-27-2006 06:57:54




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
Since you use your hay may be used for horses which may not be yours, I would suggest staying with the NH bar rake because of the dirt in the hay that is often found with the wheel rakes. Horses can get what the cowboys called "sand colic" which is dirt or sand built up in their stomach and it can kill them if it is severe enough. Also, my boss who did about 160 acres of hay, used a single NH bar rake for all of it. Said it was easier to use, didn't throw teeth as often, and made better hay. Just my 2cents.

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jswinx

06-26-2006 20:34:30




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
Just my two cents, but I have taken two N.H. 256 rollabar rakes and put them inline. They are both left hand throws. I just put one to the side of the other. The rear rake has to have a dolly wheel but with a complete pass (down and back) I can rake 35-40ft. It usually cuts my rake time by half. It takes a little getting use to, the turns are a little tricky. It works well for me and you can use a tractor that does not have hydraulics. It works well with a 35 hp tractor. Like I said, just my two cents.

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Larry NE IL

06-27-2006 10:17:02




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to jswinx, 06-26-2006 20:34:30  
How do you keep two rakes from "roping" the hay up?
I use a 56 rake and if it's the least bit damp it rakes a rope! Larry NE IL



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jswintx

06-27-2006 19:41:19




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Larry NE IL, 06-27-2006 10:17:02  
I usually wait till the dew is off the ground. Here in Texas, especially since it's so hot and dry, there sometimes isn't any dew at all.



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IBorange in TX

06-26-2006 20:14:40




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
I just have to put in my 2 cents worth. I use a Vermeer, V8 rake and have do so for several years. I still my old JD 350 PTO rake, that I bought out of the scrap yard about 12yrs ago, on stand by. I use it to clean out the corners. The V rake is nice, you can pull it faster and it makes a good windrow for my JD435 round baler. I think if you have a large area, then a V wheel is fine, but on the other hand if you have a small area, then the bar rake is better. What ever you do, don't get rid of the bar rake, you will regret it later on.
Good Luck..... .

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IaGary

06-26-2006 18:50:54




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
Have 258 NH that I parked when I got a 9 wheel inline.

With the inline you can rake as many swathes together as you want.

Now if you have a lot of sidehills drafting down hill is a problem.It would not be a problem with a V wheel rake.

I like my inline real well and it also has hyraulic lift.

Gary



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RickL

06-26-2006 17:01:52




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
Everybody has ther choice and they will all do a nice job if SETUP CORRECTLY. wheel rake my choice hands down. the v style I don't like the butterfly fold style frame all on inside. heavy hay they plug and you doin't have independent wheel control. 9 wheel inlines are nice and the 154 model NEW holland vrakes are really nice. Just finish assemble another unit. the brand you mention I never seen that one but if it folds like butterfly wings when folding I would not want it,if you do choose to get it make sure you get the independent fold option so you can turn windrow if need be. They are cheaper for a reason.

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Cliff Neubauer

06-26-2006 15:30:48




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
If you buy the V rake I would keep your current rake as well. With the V rake your pretty much stuck raking multiple windrows together so keep the bar rake around for a backup.

For what it's worth use used a wheel rake for years until we bought an IH 35 bar rake three years ago and I think the wheel rake has only been used twice since then. For us most of the time the bar rake does a better job (rakes cleaner and makes a nicer windrow) and I don't miss changing rake teeth all the time. Last winter we bought a JD 700 twin rake (same thing as a Vermeer R-23) for big fields and it works better than the V rakes we've used but we still use our old single bar rake alot on smaller fields.

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Luke S

06-27-2006 06:27:35




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 06-26-2006 15:30:48  
Well, money is a little tight right now until second cutting comes in(if), so it's either trade, or keep what I got.



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Iowa Jim

06-26-2006 18:55:57




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 Re: Thinking about trading rake's, advice needed? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 06-26-2006 15:30:48  
This Iowa Boilermaker agrees with you Cliff!!!

Now if I can just find a cheaper gear set for my IH 35 I'll be a happy man.

Jim



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Iowa Jim

06-26-2006 12:28:55




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 Hay Quality and Customers in reply to Luke S, 06-26-2006 10:21:13  
One of the phenomena happening in the forage industry is the increasing level of Ash being found in forages. Most attribute this to the increased usage of disc mowers in forage production. Some, my self included, feel that the prevalent use of wheel rakes exacerbates the issue.

At the Hay Expo in Strawberry Point, Iowa last week several rakes were demoes. Each of the wheel rakes resulted in chunks of soil in the windrow, while the Vermeer hydraulic bar rake did not have the same occurance. The easy explanation is that the wheel rakes were not adjusted correctly, but that can not be the entire answer.

I would look at the type of customer you have and the time factore. If you are simply selling "brood cow" hay, then a wheel rake will produce the results you want.

Jim

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Luke S

06-26-2006 13:44:01




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 Re: Hay Quality and Customers in reply to Iowa Jim, 06-26-2006 12:28:55  
Well, I do three things with my hay, round bales for my own horses and cows, that are not picky. Sell a few big rounds to a few horse friends of ours. And I make small squares that my wife and my mother use in their horse boarding operation(about 40-50 horses).



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